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Tom Windsor

02-08-2008 19:27:47




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I have a new 3 position switch. 1st notch, charge a little, 2d stop, charge a lot, 3d stop is the lights. Does anyone know if this switch body had to be grounded before it works? I cannot get my ducks in the row on this thing.

It took me a day to figure out why my generator was not charging on the tractor..afer putting it on a test stand and finding it works just fine. The pure and simple reason was that I had painted the thing and it was not being grounded to the tractor. I cleaned the paint from the lugs on the generator and from the mounting bracket, inserted fresh no rust bolts and mounted it and it worked just fine...but now I cannot get the switch to regulate the charge(output)???

tw

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Gene-AL

02-09-2008 08:18:34




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 Re: Switch in reply to Tom Windsor, 02-08-2008 19:27:47  
Tom,
To add to that already said:
IH produced at least two different electrical systems within the same time frame (both shown & described in the same owner's manual).

One had a magneto ignition with generator, cutout relay, and four-position switch (L-H-D-B) low charge, high charge, dim lights, bright lights. Two resistors on back of switch - one for dim lights, the other for low charge. The switch mounting bracket had to be frame grounded for high and low charge to work (low charge grounded the generator field through the resistor, high charge grounded the generator field direct to frame ground). Ignition switch was a one-terminal grounding switch to 'kill' the magneto.

The second system had battery/coil ignition, a 4-terminal voltage regulator (3-terminals on side, one underneath), and a three-position light switch (O-D-B) Off, Dim, Bright. The switch had one resistor for dim lights. Switch mount bracket does not have to be grounded. On this system the voltage regulator's metal base MUST be gounded to work properly. Some units had rubber mounts and a thin braided ground wire which sometimes got broken or left disconnected from under the mounting bolt.
Ignition switch was a two-terminal off/on switch.

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karl f

02-09-2008 06:14:56




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 Re: Switch in reply to Tom Windsor, 02-08-2008 19:27:47  
WAIT we're talking about a farmall A/c/H/M right?
3 position light switch is NOT a charge switching switch! you need a 4 position,but one from an 06 or newer will NOT work.

the positions of the switch will be L H B D.
there will be 2 resistors on the back of the switch. I don't know if this switch is available new.

i bet the one you have has only one resistor. and when in the first most counterclockwise position, there is no continuity bewteen the power in and any of the other terminals.

if you cannont find the right switch you may have to use the 3 position for lights only, and install a genny mounted regulator. it will look very close to original, and original for a slightly newer machine.
hope this helps.

karl f

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Janicholson

02-09-2008 06:09:37




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 Re: Switch in reply to Tom Windsor, 02-08-2008 19:27:47  
John M below is correct Tom, all the switches that control the generator are four position switches. Low High Dim Bright if your switch has only three positions it is definitely a lights only switch and cannot be used for the control of a cutout equipped generator. The tractor can be used if you ground the field terminal with a jumper, and leave the lights on. This will provide a modest charge to the battery while you get the correct switch with two resistors on the back. The light switch you have cannot have any terminal grounded. Good luck, JimN

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James Williams

02-09-2008 05:54:39




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 Re: Switch in reply to Tom Windsor, 02-08-2008 19:27:47  
Tom,Im not a expert but that switch is for a generator with a cutout,First stop low charge,2nd stop before the light circuit is high charge this way the gen.will keep up with the amps that the lights pull.While using your tractor during daylight hours low charge was only needed.If you turned the lights on without being in high charge side your battery would be drained.The way the switch is wired you had to be on the high charge when you turned your lights on.

jimmy

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RustyFarmall

02-09-2008 06:10:15




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 Re: Switch in reply to James Williams, 02-09-2008 05:54:39  
No, that is wrong. If you are using a generator cut-out, you need the 4 position switch. Low charge, high charge, dim lights, and bright lights. The 3 position switch is for a voltage regulator set-up. Off, dim lights, and bright lights.



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John M

02-09-2008 05:19:50




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 Re: Switch in reply to Tom Windsor, 02-08-2008 19:27:47  
Thats a light switc hright? It shold only control the lights, not the charging circuit. OFF - DIM - BRIGHT



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gene bender

02-08-2008 20:32:50




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 Re: Switch in reply to Tom Windsor, 02-08-2008 19:27:47  
Yes the sw does need to be grounded. I use an OHM meter to check go to ground cable to sw to check.You do have a wire running from the field on the gen to the sw dont you for hi-charge. By the way TOM the TEA is under snow now and cant wait until spring getting awful thirsty for some as a dummy forgot to dry some last fall.



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Tom Windsor

02-08-2008 22:32:49




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 Re: Switch in reply to gene bender, 02-08-2008 20:32:50  
Gene

Get back with me at twindsor@aol.com and let me know how your "free" tractor came out? Yep the "tea" was refreshing, first time I ever tried it.

tw



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Zach Bouchard

02-08-2008 19:59:06




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 Re: Switch in reply to Tom Windsor, 02-08-2008 19:27:47  
Go old school, don't use the lights and only run the starter off the battery. You get plenty of starts off of it. Only if you have a mag though.



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Charles Todd

02-08-2008 19:54:03




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 Re: Switch in reply to Tom Windsor, 02-08-2008 19:27:47  
Easiest way to cure charging issues...

third party image

Also notice the billet aluminum fan spacer. Machined it when my original cast part broke.

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Tom Windsor

02-08-2008 22:30:15




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 Re: Switch in reply to Charles Todd, 02-08-2008 19:54:03  
That is the cure for sure...on the piece of junk I am working on, I am trying to make original...

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