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front end swap on 560

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560 in KS

01-30-2008 09:14:58




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Hey, I got a question for y'all. I have a norden front end under this 560 of mine. It needs a spindle, tie rods. I've been informed that you can't get parts for a norden anymore. so, would it be in my best interests to just swap front ends? and if so, any advice on how to go about doing it? I've been told that the schwartz is the way to go.I haven't swapped a front end before, so i could use a little advice. what to pull it out and put back in with? Just looking for a little input. any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Allan In NE

01-31-2008 15:45:17




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 Re: front end swap on 560 in reply to 560 in KS, 01-30-2008 09:14:58  
Steering plate/arm is the last off and the first on.

Tires on both front ends.

Just jack 'er up and roll one out and roll the other under. Set the yoke on a 5 gallon bucket while you're working on that steering arm. Stay the he!! out from under the tractor.

A 10 year old kid can change those things out in an hour.

Allan



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Lee in Iowa

01-30-2008 21:43:05




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 Re: front end swap on 560 in reply to 560 in KS, 01-30-2008 09:14:58  
I always borrow a contraption my neighbor has when I change wide fronts. It has two steel plates about a foot long with holes in them so you can clamp them on the back end of the wishbone. A leg extends down from the bottom plate and has two lawn mower wheels at the bottom. With this thing clamped on it holds up the back end of the wide front and makes it much easier to roll under and bolt on. Some day I'll learn to post pictures and you won't have to try to figure out what I'm trying to say. Lee

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Duane NC OH

01-30-2008 15:14:17




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 Re: front end swap on 560 in reply to 560 in KS, 01-30-2008 09:14:58  
we put a wide front end from a 656 under
our 560. it bolted right up. i don't know

how it compares to a schwartz. paid $750

for many years ago.
good luck!

Duane



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mkirsch

01-30-2008 12:27:30




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 Re: front end swap on 560 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-30-2008 09:14:58  
Haven't actually done this myself, but being from an engineering background I can see how I'd do it fairly easily:

Dad's got a nifty splitting stand, and I figure I'd just mount that toward the front of the tractor, and use the giant turnbuckle chained to the drawbar mount to lift the front end of the tractor. Zap off the bolts with the burp gun. and roll the old front end out of the way. Roll the new front end underneath, burp the new bolts down tight, remove the splitting stand, and drive away.

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Up North Louie

01-30-2008 10:25:16




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 Re: front end swap on 560 in reply to 560 in KS, 01-30-2008 09:14:58  
I have a 560 with a front end loader. I set the brakes, tip the bucket down, and raise the front end about 12 inches off the ground. Then I block the rear wheels both ways and shut it off in 1st. I also block the tractor up under the frame.
Disconnect the inside tie rod ends from the steering arm, and leave the arm in place if it matches that for the Schwartz, and it should. If not, you'll be changing the arm later. There are 6 bolts holding the front end on to the frame, 4 forward and two back, where the saddle would be on a Schwartz. Nordens are just straight plates. Loosen them, [ I assume your wheels are off the Norden] Get a floor jack under the midpoint of the front end, and remove the bolts. The back is heavy and will drop first, let it down first and get it out of the way. Lower the jack, swap the front ends on it and raise the new one into place and bolt it up. Don't forget the lock washers.

If the steering arm is different, you'll have to swap them out while the front end is off. It bolts up with 4 bolts where the narrow front pedestal bolts up. I've never found a way to get it back on after the axle is changed.

Connect the new tie rod ends and get them even. Put your wheels back on and make sure the stops keep you from turning the wheels more than about 50 degrees off of straight.

Let the tractor back down, snug it all up.
You will have better luck with your Schwartz. I bought what was supposed to be a Schwartz off a guy who posts ads on this site. I didn't make the trip to pick it up; my brother did. The seller painted out the plates and sent a Norden. I should have gone, but I didn't, so I didn't raise a stink. It's my fault for not going. But I suspect the seller's dishonesty will come back to get him sooner or later.

Don't junk your Norden. I will find spindles; I haven't been looking real hard, as I have been busy with other things, but I am getting caught up and I will get going on it. When I get results, I'll post them.

Good luck, be careful.

Don

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billde

01-30-2008 10:12:07




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 Re: front end swap on 560 in reply to 560 in KS, 01-30-2008 09:14:58  
Forklift is the best. A two prong bale mover is a close second. If you don't have either of those 2 men can do it pretty easily.



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