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C-263-points, plug wires, plugs questions

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bc

01-29-2008 08:48:42




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Here is an update from an earlier thread. Unless you are using the modern view, no one may see it so I thought I would start a new thread regarding the 3 questions below. Thanks.

I took the carb apart again. Instead of spending $41 for a new float, which I may still have to do, I took a punch and partially flattened out the dent in it where the needle rides. Set the float level a 1/16" over to 1 3/8" to allow for the dent. Put it back together making sure it cleared the gasket. Then I shook it a few times and I could hear the float moving up and down without catching on any thing. The float seemed to stop the free flow of fuel now.

Added a 3/8" tee below the fuel tank outlet with a 2" nipple and cap to catch any rust along with adding a ball valve at the middle of the tee to shut off the fuel as the new sediment bulb now installed after the ball valve didn't seem to totally shut off the gas.

Put in a new 12v internal resistance coil from NAPA, the IC14SB. Put in new IH points along with the new IH condenser that was in there. I can't find a 11/32" wrench anywhere (no one carries them anymore) but found a 9mm worked just fine.

Put on new 7mm copper spark plug wires of the brand from Orscheln. I taped them out on a yard stick for a week at home to try to get the coil out of them.

Put in new autolite 388 spark plugs.

It was late and I didn't get to drive it, but it started up and ran just as slick as can be once I remembered to put the wire back on going from the coil to the dist. I still need to drive it to see if still boggs down in second gear though.

3 questions though:

1. The points adjustment. I would use a .020 feeler guage but when I tightened down on the screw for the final tightening, it would move the bracket and open up the points. I finally adjusted them with a .010 guage and then tightended it down. That left it with the proper .020. What is the best way to do it or what is wrong here?

2. The new spark plug wires are so stiff that I had to route them up and around where they touch the hood or are too close to the block. The new ones were also a right angle attachment at the plug and ride close to the block. The old wires were soft but they had some burnt ends and the ends stuck straight on to the plug where they weren't close to the block and the old rubber boots didn't stay tight on the new dist. I used some of that electrical grease on the new ones. With a couple of them, the boots and wires don't want to stay pushed down in the dist cause of the stiff wires and I don't like the way the copper ends attached to the wires. I know they will come loose or get burnt up over time. Anyone have a better idea on what to do for plug wires?

3. The old plugs. They were a D16. I put in a hotter autolite 388 gapped at .025. I numbered them as I took them out. Seems like 4 or 5 of them were oily and 1 or 2 around the middle of the engine were dry and carboned up. This motor has a lot of blowby but it doesn't smoke out the exhaust very much. Does the condition of the plugs suggest anything to anyone?

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bc

01-30-2008 09:35:15




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 Re: C-263-points, plug wires, plugs questions in reply to bc, 01-29-2008 08:48:42  
Another update. After changing the coil, plugs, plug wires, points, condenser, and R&R the carb, I was able to run around the pasture up and down hill moving a few bales with no bog downs. Happy days I hope. In fact, this summer I had dug a 4 foot deep hole and placed a 9" diameter section of old telephone pole in there for a snubbing post to tie my mustangs to(one that they can't pull over). Anyway I went driving up the corral in the dark with a bale on the front slow in low gear while getting ready to set the bale down. I forgot about the post and about the time I looked to where I thought it should be, I heard a crack and the motor didn't hardly pull down at all in breaking that post off. The pole had a bad place on it about ground level but I thought it should have stalled out the tractor a little.

Thanks to all for your help.

Anyway now I can concentrate on fixing the hydraulics and the steering. I've been riding it around without a seat cause I'm trying to take that plate off under the seat to trouble shoot the hydraulics. There is one bolt head left that was so messed up I can't get vise grips to hold. I'm just waiting to take a welder out there or maybe more easily just take the torch and braze a nut to it. Once that cover is off, then I'll start a new thread about what to look for and where is the psi relief valve in there that could possibly be plugged up.

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Brownie450

01-30-2008 02:54:48




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 Re: C-263-points, plug wires, plugs questions in reply to bc, 01-29-2008 08:48:42  
Wouldn't know the number for the distributor brush--would you Jim?? I've got an old Snap-on one which they don't have any more. I guess no-one has distributor caps yet???? Try a THIN washer behind the points adjusting screw to see if that helps some. I think I remember correctly that IH had a separate number for that screw[very wide head].



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CGtractor

01-29-2008 14:51:04




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 Re: C-263-points, plug wires, plugs questions in reply to bc, 01-29-2008 08:48:42  
The points take some patience and finesse. I used the same brand of plug wires on my M and had the same issues, but found that with some warmth(summer) they straightened out. On the end that you cut and crimp the terminal on to I ran the copper conductor through the small hole in the center of the terminal and added a small dab of solder. Hope this helps. By the way, my 11/32 came from a set of ignition wrenches, probably still available as a set.

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bc

01-29-2008 09:48:16




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 Re: C-263-points, plug wires, plugs questions in reply to bc, 01-29-2008 08:48:42  
thanks for the response. The points had a short screw but I wondered if adding a flat washer under the lock washer would have stopped the bracket moving problem.

Regarding the plug wires, I just remember in the old days that touching a plug wire or coil wire has shocked me and I worried that being too close or touching metal or touching each other could cause the wire to short out but maybe they make better insulated wires than they used to. It might have been my old 57 chevy that taught me to use insulated pliers when troubleshooting with plug wires while it is running.

The tank issue is hopefully the final fix from this summer when I acidized the tank to get rid of the rust. It still makes a little rust though. After I bought the IH original sediment bulb it never would completely shut off and gas would slowly leak out thru the carb over a period of time and gas isn't cheap anymore. I don't have an air cleaner on the carb which is another project coming up. The factory sediment bulb had an extension that would stick up into the tank a little ways that probably kept the very bottom of the tank from draining into the bowl. I had added a piece of window screen folded and wrapped around it and held with small aircraft safety wire which then stuck up into the tank about an inch. When I took it out, it had some large particles of rust in the folds and some in the tank I flushed out. If the 2" nipple and cap below the tee doesn't catch all the rust, then I can still remove the tee and insert a cone shaped piece of window screen into the nipple going into the tank to serve as a screen. Just thought I mention this for the others who are having problems with rusty tanks.

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Janicholson

01-29-2008 09:09:33




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 Re: C-263-points, plug wires, plugs questions in reply to bc, 01-29-2008 08:48:42  
I say you are in great shape.
The points often have that issue. try adjusting them when they are just able to be moved, it helps in the process of final gap.
The tank issue seems fine. Ido not know if you have rubber hose, but I use only steel line for safety on a gravity feed carb. Just my belief.
The plug wire terminals can touch anything but a hot manifold, (those are on the other side) sharp edges will wear through and need to be eliminated. Open the copper clips in the cap tower end of the wires to see if they can get a better grip. The boots should also hold some. Make sure there is no material left in the cap from the old wire ends. There is a neat tool to clean them KD brand has it and many others.
I would read the new plugs after 20 hours of operation to check them against the old. the best info is consistancy, and bad wires/etc. can fowl plugs as much as rings. Keep us infoprmed on its reality. JimN

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