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Puller883

01-28-2008 16:57:52




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I am looking for the sizes of tires that came factory stock on 560's. My father bought a 560D brand new in 1963 with 18.4-34 on press wheels from IH. Anyone have any documentation to support this so we can prove this is a tire is stock?




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ihc49er#2

01-29-2008 09:59:33




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to Puller883, 01-28-2008 16:57:52  
the 560 wheatland came from factory with only 18.4-30" rims.



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Kerm

01-29-2008 03:52:18




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to Puller883, 01-28-2008 16:57:52  
I"ve got a "59 560 with 18 34 stamped steel wheels. row crop.



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earthmasterk

01-28-2008 19:13:36




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to Puller883, 01-28-2008 16:57:52  
In the early 60's I worked for a big farmer in Michigan. He raised about 700 acres of potatoes, as well as other crops. He bought two new 560 diesels and two new FMC potato harvesters to harvest the crops. The tractors had 18.4 X 34 tires, and I know of one other one that had the same size tires when it was new.



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Armand Tatro

01-28-2008 19:13:31




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to Puller883, 01-28-2008 16:57:52  
Not sure but I want to think that there was a spinout rear rim as an option also. Maybe 15-5X38? Armand



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ejr-IA

01-28-2008 18:05:08




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to Puller883, 01-28-2008 16:57:52  
Yes Wardner is right about factory pressed steel wheels.The part numbers are 375111R91 for the 14-34 and 665660R91 for the 16-34 rims.



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Wardner

01-28-2008 17:26:06




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to Puller883, 01-28-2008 16:57:52  
The parts book has three 38" rims for cast wheels on the Farmall. It also has two disc wheels for the Farmall. They are

DW 14-34 rim for 16.9/14-34 or 18.4/15-34 tire
DW 16-34 rim for 18.4/15-34 tire



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BOBM25

01-28-2008 17:09:48




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to Puller883, 01-28-2008 16:57:52  
I don't think your Farmall 560 came factory with 18.4-34 wheels. Your dad's Wheatland 560 might have came factory with that tire size. I'm thinking thats what you mean. The Farmall (rowcrop) version would most likely have had 15.5-38's. I don't know about the pressed steel either. I've never heard of any IH tractor leaving the factory with pressed steel rim drive tires.



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Hugh MacKay

01-28-2008 17:21:37




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to BOBM25, 01-28-2008 17:09:48  
Bob: 18.4x34 tires on pressed steel wheels was an option for Farmall 560, 656, 666 and 686. Not a lot of 560 were equipped that way but it is quite common for 656, 666 and 686.



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BOBM25

01-28-2008 17:30:44




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-28-2008 17:21:37  
Was the rim and center part welded together as one piece, or were they bolted or clamped together the way newer equip is? I've never seen anything but a cast wheel center. I guess I've seen 18.4-34 on Farmall 706-806, but never on 560.



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Hugh MacKay

01-28-2008 17:59:57




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to BOBM25, 01-28-2008 17:30:44  
Bob: I've never seen them on a 560 either, however I do remember them being an option when I bought my 560, new in 63. They had a hub much like you see on Farmall axle duals. I have a feeling those only became an option the last year or so of 560 production.

If you got to a site called Iron Solutions there is a lot of those wheels on 656, 666 and 686 in MN, the Dakotas and western Canada



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MN Rick

01-29-2008 18:44:22




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-28-2008 17:59:57  
I've always understood that they were an option. I've had 2 of them and still have 1. What I like personally about the 18.4-34 rubber is how it changes the whole appearance of a 560. 560's have a tendancy to sit lower in the rear than the front, giving them the look of always going uphill. That being said, I suspect the tall rubber would change ground speed and gearing. That didnt affect the usability of the one I had a number of years ago, but then again, that one was turbo'ed. I do recall it really moving in road gear. Perhaps Hugh could address this, but I've often suspected that they might force a gear drop in some situations possibly causing the tractor to be less productive. I'm not sure if it's still there, but a number of years ago, there was a pic of a 560 with tall rubber posted in the tractor photo section.

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Hugh MacKay

01-30-2008 04:49:52




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to MN Rick, 01-29-2008 18:44:22  
Rick: I can tell you that in my farming application 15.5x38 was not the best tire for a 560 or 656. Both my 560 and 656 came new with 15.5x38 and I swore at them, more than swore by them. First and foremost I needed ground clearence, and with 15.5x38 coupled with larger chassis than 300, they didn't have as much ground clearence as 300 with 13.6x38. That 15.5 was a bummer, low profile. A neighbor up the road had a Cockshutt 570 with 18.4x34, didn't have as much hp as I did yet the extra clearence and more rubber on the ground he was all over me.

At this point, changing my tractors to disc wheels, plus hubs was an expensive option. Now. do you suppose I could get those 15.5x38 to wear out, no way. Finally I put all 4 - 15.5x38 on the 560 as duals, then bought a new set of 16.9x38 for my 656, and that made a tractor out of it in my opinion. The guy with the Cockshutt had to take a back seat. Finally I put a set of 16.9x38 on the 560.

My tractors had 7.50x16 up front and yes they did look low behind with 15.5x38. The 16.9 changed all that, but what amazed me most was the added traction and ground clearence I got from 16.9. I saw the same when I went to buy a 1066, larger chassis still and on 18.4x38 those tractors just didn't have ground clearence. I went with 20.8x38 duals and never regreted it. I wasn't going to be caught again trying to wear out a set of tires just trying to get good tire equipment.

I realize most of you guys across the mid west didn't have the same conditions as I did. In the early days we used the 300 and 560 in the farm woodlot with a home built logging winch, removed the hitch completely and the winch clamped to rear axle housings much the same as U drawbar. This winch was designed so lowest point was tractor rear end. With 15.5 tires the 560 was no better than 300 with 13.6. One does not get much traction with that big rearend hung up on a stump.

Our other unique situation was 45" annual rainfall on sandy loam soils. One slip of a rear wheel and a tractor could be drawbar deep before one could hit the clutch. For this reason we were demanding wider tires as far back as the 1940s. My dad tells a story about his father in law warning him to be careful where he crossed the wet area from one field to another with team of horses and mower. Dad said, "I just laughed at him thinking how could any fool get stuck with a team of horses and a mower. Later he acknowledged, father in law was right, horses almost didn't make. Using open and tile drainage, clearing water chanels of debris, 25 year later I was crossing these same fields with trucks at harvest time. Early in the season one still had to be careful from spring run off in the massive forrest lands surrounding, as water table would be within 2' on surface. This land was soft, basically 6-8 feet of sandy loam over gravel. Once we got the water table down near the gravel, man would that soil ever grow alfalfa. 8 tons of dry matter per acre was average. The single first cutting could often hit 5 ton in the bud stage. I required a tractor with good clearence on a 9' haybine, and we never had to double windrows not even with 1066 and NH 890 forage harvester.

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Richard E.

01-30-2008 13:29:30




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 Re: 560 farmall tire size in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-30-2008 04:49:52  
I did the same thing to my 460 diesel, what a difference ! It too came with 15.5x38, they had the same clearance as an 11x38 which sometimes ground clearance really counts ! My 2 cents....



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