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OT: Why check the oil?

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mkirsch

01-28-2008 05:37:32




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Why is it the first thing people do when an engine isn't running right is check the oil? I've noticed it my entire life; when the truck quit, the first words out of Mom's mouth were, "Did you check the oil?" Got stranded on the side of the road with one of my friends, and the first thing he did was open the hood and pull the dipstick!

Yeah okay, I've done it too, but only because, "Hey, I'm under the hood, I may as well check the oil while I'm here."

I suppose it's probably because they had no clue about how engines work and that was the only troubleshooting they knew to do, and they felt like they had to do SOMETHING...

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Dick Fm Iowa

01-29-2008 02:50:15




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
We've about covered low oil quanity but how about too much "oil"? If your Farmall disb driven hydralic pump starts leaking fluid pass the bearing - your daily oil check will reveal an increasing quanity and lowering viscosity in the sump. So with the old petcocks check them both - high and low. My nickel Dick Davis



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RN

01-28-2008 18:39:08




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
Seen a few blown engines from red lights been on the past month driv



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moonlite 37

01-28-2008 14:16:41




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
We had a neighbor many years ago who ran a sawmill with an old Buick straight 8 engine. every morning he checked the oil making an almost holy ritual out of the process. He would wipe the stick on the bib of his freshly washed and ironed overalls. He would insert the stick the second time and read the stick again, Then before inserting the stick again he would wipe the stick for the second time. His wife was a great lady and would wash his clothes until all stains were gone. He undeservingly got clean overalls every morning. His wife outlived him.

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bc

01-28-2008 13:59:24




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
I've seen the plug come out of an engine one time. Luckily the detroit diesel had an automatic shut down that shut it down when the psi went down.

The oil will tell you if you have a cracked head or block with water getting into the oil. With tractor, a bad seal could cause hy-tran to run over into the oil. I learned a new one here with the bad carb needle valve letting gas into it. I've been fighting carb problems and I've noticed that my oil level might have come up a little and thinned out but not enough to worry about but I will change it anyway.

Also engines just flat use oil. It doesn't have to be a smoker to do so. My 5.4l ford pu uses a quart each oil change and it is not burning it or leaking it.

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trucker40

01-28-2008 11:39:45




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
Checking the oil will tell you lots of things like everybody else has said.Plus whenever the hood is up you should check it. I was driving down the road in a tractor trailer twice in about 10 years.I looked down at the oil pressure gauge and it was going down.I shut the motor off.The first time it was a turbo pressure line,in the time it took to see the pressure going down,shut it off and coast to the side of the road,there was only 1 gallon out of 10 left in the motor.The next time I saw a light come on that doesnt ever come on,looked at the oil pressure gauge and it was going down,shut off the motor.That time the drain plug fell out of the oil pan.I had just got my oil changed at a shop the day before,and they left the plug loose.Lost all the oil that time.Both times I was able to fix it on the side of the road,get a ride to a place that had oil and go on and drive the truck.Its more than a fair chance there is something wrong with the oil if you car doesnt run right.

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Kajun

01-28-2008 10:45:56




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
My dad who was two generations ahead of me taught me to check the oil before every morning start. He was very direct on this and always double checked to be sure I had done so.

Seems he burned up a tractor engine in the depression 'cause a neighbor helped himself to the oil from the engine overnight. Things were tough back then. Anyway I'm religious on the point more than 55 years after than my first lesson.

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Honest Jon

01-29-2008 05:33:19




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to Kajun, 01-28-2008 10:45:56  
Your dad being two generations ahead of you was quite a trick.



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rich4

01-28-2008 10:36:30




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
I had a young co-worker once and we were sitting around talking and he said he never changed the oil in his car, just added oil when it needed it. He did not have a clue about engines. Pity the guy who bought it from him.



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Bob Kerr

01-28-2008 20:42:17




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to rich4, 01-28-2008 10:36:30  
rich4, He must have married my first ex. This happened just after we met. She had put 80,000 miles on an oil change in an 84 buick with that junk 3.1 v6 buick had so many problems with. Having that engine in the car was a deduction in value according to the blue book. I just don"t get it but after I drained out the "tar that used to be oil" it ran a couple more years until she sold it. It had over 180,000 miles on it! Must have had that one in a thousand engine that just won"t die in it!

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Bob Kerr

01-28-2008 10:27:49




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
A few years back I was driving my 49 chevy truck to work at the farm, Bout a half hour drive one way. Checked the oil every morning before leaving and this one day, it showed good up near full. I get a ,mile or so from the farm and notice the 216 engine is getting a little noisy. I pretty much coast in and check it and it is milky white! Drained it out and found there was a oil line that runs from the driver side of engine through the water jacket to the other side under the pushrod cover and up to the rocker shaft. Line had cracked in side the water jacket just next to the compression fitting. Apparently last time I drove it and shut it off, the rad pressure over rode the oil pressure in the line and filled the oil with antifreeze. Looked ok before I started it, but the oil and antifreeze hadn"t mixed yet. I fixed the line but 3 weeks later a rod got noisy and started pounding. I still need to fix it. It was my first vehicle and bought it in 1977.

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James Williams

01-28-2008 10:01:23




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
My wife and 3 sisters were going to bingo one night,temperature light came on,and all of them said if we quit driving we will be late ,they made it,next day I ordered a new motor.One week later they were off to bingo again,same thing happened,they continued driving to a station,and shut the motor off,and cought a ride to bingo.I went to get the car,the station attendant said the car was hot but was running ok.I started it up and it had a bad knock,Next week another motor and a new clutch fan,A month after that my wife turned up a one way road in the wrong direction totaling the car.

jimmy

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rumplestiltskin

01-28-2008 10:58:34




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to James Williams, 01-28-2008 10:01:23  

Wow, those were some expensive bingo games! But now it looks like you've permanently cut your losses...with that vehicle, anyway.

Sometimes the dipstick won't help. One of my uncles once borrowed a backhoe/loader from another. The oil level was fine until he parked the unit at a fairly steep angle to do some ditch digging. The oil flowed away from the sump and the pickup, starving the oil pump and eventually leading to a thrown rod. That was about 1972, and she's still sitting in the place where she was towed that day.

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Sometimes people just have to be trained right. (My wife and I have been married for 20 years, and we're still training each other.)

Last week I chewed her out for driving around town in four wheel drive on dry pavement for 10 days or so. (She had "assumed" it was in two wheel drive; I had to break down the word "assume" for her.) I found the problem when she said the truck "wasn't running right" and asked me to look at it.

But yesterday, to my astonishment and delight, she called me out to the driveway before she left. She said the oil pressure gauge was reading high, and the coolant temp was reading low. I explained that 60 psi is normal for that engine until it warms up, then it decreases to about 40. And low coolant temp is normal when it's 15 degrees Fahrenheit and the engine's been running for only a minute or so. I also told her good job and thanks for asking.

Maybe I'll keep her after all ;-)

Mark W. in MI

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chadd

01-28-2008 09:56:04




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
One kid in the neighborhood got an older Ford for his first car. He was having some trouble with it, so a group of us from church that work on cars all looked it over and concluded he needed a new Manifold Air Pressure sensor. Imagine my surprise when a week later, he is driving a different car. I ask, "What happened to the old one?" Here the lower radiator hose sprung a leak, and the coolant light came on. The kid had to get to work, so he kept driving. Now, you'd think the kid would at least check to see what would cause the light to come on, but no, he starts it up and proceeds to drive HOME from work. On the way home, it starts to run poorly, but he just gives it more throttle, and keeps driving. When he stops in the driveway, it just dies. Next morning, he can't understand why it won't start. Turns out he ran the entire water jacket dry. The engine didn't even have enough compression to blow my finger off out of the spark plug hole with the plug removed. I tore the motor down just for the heck of it. He cracked the cast iron head between the intake and exhaust valves in ALL 4 cylinders. The bores were covered in vertical gouges from the expansion of the pistons, and the pistons could now be pushed around in the bores. Yep, I think he managed to kill it!!!

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

01-28-2008 09:44:19




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
In the early 70s my Father in Law had a 6 cylinder Chevy pick up that was bad to burn oil (most of them were). He was always telling everyone to keep an eye on the oil when driving it. One day, 2 of the younger girls in the family decided to take the truck shopping. About halfway there the truck quit, and the girls decided maybe it was low on oil. They checked under the hood, and sure enough, no sign of oil. The girls walked about a mile to a country station and got 3 quarts of oil and poured in the engine, still no sign of oil. Back to the store for more oil, still no sign of it in the engine. They walked between the truck and the store till they carried enough oil to fill that 6 cylinder chevy to the top of the filler cap, but it still wouldn't start. :lol: Just then a neighbor came by and gave them a ride home. They told Dad the truck wouldn't start, but didn't mention the oil. Mr. Bradley was busy planting soybeans, so he just called locla garage to go get truck and fix it. The mechanic put a set of points in it and started it. when those pistons started running up and down in that oil filled engine, things got interesting. It blew the filler cap off, blew the crankcase breather pipe off the side of the engine, and pushed oil up through the distributor bushing, blowing off the distributor cap. Sure wish I had been a little mous in the garage watching all of that.

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JMS/.MN

01-28-2008 08:40:21




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
They go to the dipstick, because when in trouble, it"s nice to be close to family!



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Hugh MacKay

01-28-2008 09:15:50




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to JMS/.MN, 01-28-2008 08:40:21  
JMS: Well said, I hired a guy like once, kind of fooled me as he had a couple of high preformance Cameros. He had worked for a local dairy farmer with 460 being the largest tractor.

He was operating my 1066 on cultivator, and this had been the first time I was near him or the tractor in 2 days. He was eating lunch and I thought the front end looked dry. I checked the oil, 1.5 gallons, Hytran 2 gallons and yes the front end was so dry it squeaked when one turned the wheel. I said, "When did you last check this?" he said, "I didn't, you did before I came to work two days ago." I said, "Sonny, around here you check those things plus the rad daily before you fire it up. Makes no difference what the last operator may have told you. He said, " Well, at Seymore's we only checked those things once per week." I advised, "around here you check daily, some things more often." I found out later that Seymore's new Impalla had it's first oil check at 25,000 miles when the engine seized.

And, Dalton, if you monitor YT your still a dipstick, well your a dipstick anyhow.

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Michael price

01-28-2008 08:00:51




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
Whats really funny is when you see some rich soccer mom or some office guy with car trouble in his brand new car and they open the hood and just stair at it then get on their cell phone. Did they really think that they would open the hood and right there in front of them would be a simple problem to simply fix.



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Bob

01-28-2008 07:42:34




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 Pulling the dipstick isn't the DUMBEST thing to do! in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
Pulling the dipstick isn't the DUMBEST thing to do!

There can be several clues there, if you look closely, such as frothy foam stuck to the dipstick above the oil level, indicating coolant getting into the oil, or the engine simply not being run enough to warm up, (or having a bad thermostat). Really THIN oil can indicate a misfiring cylinder, or a bad carburetor needle/seat allowing the carb to "run over" and get gasoline into the crankcase, in a "worst-case" scenario causing the bearings to fail and the engine to "lock up".

I say "smelling" the oil will give some clues, as well, but the last guy to post that on a message board got laughed at! (Over on KL.)

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agpilot

01-28-2008 13:18:37




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 Re: Pulling the dipstick isn't the DUMBEST thing to do! in reply to Bob, 01-28-2008 07:42:34  
Hello Bob: Not dumb to do the smell test befor buying a used car-truck with auto transmission. If you think some people don't check engine oil often enought, guess how often they check automatic tranny... Never would be close.. When I was selling a couple of my 435HP Corvettes, I left the engine oil with 2,000 miles in them. Every guy that checked the oil got my sales pitch that I left the oil in it so they would know just how good it will be after they put 2,000 miles on their new oil. I pointed out no anti freeze etc in the oil too. They seemed to like knowing the engine would be OK. Got more money with the normal dirty oil. But Corvette buyers are more interested in good engines then with other cars. Make the buyer feel informed about the car... agpilot

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Bob

01-28-2008 14:26:34




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 You can't even do that anymore... in reply to agpilot, 01-28-2008 13:18:37  
You can't even do that anymore, as I understand many late model vehicles no longer HAVE a dipstick in their slushboxes!



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old

01-28-2008 07:11:54




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
That reminds me of the woman that walked into a gas station one time. She said her car had stopped running. The guy asked what happened. She said the oil light came on but she kept on driving, then it just sort of lost power and quit. The guy then asked if the engine would turn over when she turned the key and she said no it would not, it would just click. He went and looked at it and towed it in. It didn't have a drop of oil in the pan. The woman then said will fill it up with oil and I'll be on my way. The guy told her that would not work because you have blown the engine and she said what how did that happen

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riverbend

01-28-2008 09:23:02




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to old, 01-28-2008 07:11:54  
I always check the dipstick when called to look at a car that's dead on the roadside after one of the kids ignored that little red light and ventilated the crankcase on her VW Rabbit.

Greg



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Dave from MN

01-28-2008 06:55:16




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
It has been instilled in me, since I was about 7, to check the oil on tractors before every day of use, and after lunch if running since morning. Vehicles, dad always said check before church(which would have been weekly), and anytime the hood is open. An once of prevention.



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Dan J 13655

01-28-2008 14:15:52




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to Dave from MN, 01-28-2008 06:55:16  
Ya know, Dave, I was taught the same thing by my "Ol' Man" when I was about seven or eight. My brothers and I all were. And during haying or filling the silo, we checked it in all the tractors every day before work began. All four of us brothers were taught this. But I still have an idiot brother who has burned up engines in two new pickups because he never checks or changes the oil. There's a name for him -- rhymes with "dum-hass".

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Janicholson

01-28-2008 06:50:33




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
One of my oldest and best friends owns and operates a Valvoline Quick Lube. South on HW421 in Michigan City, IN. Mor than 30 % of the cars that come in do so because the oil lite is flashing on and off. In many cases the car has the original factory oil and filter with 45 to 50K miles on them, and 3 cups of oil in the sump.
We live in a society of highly incompetent undereducated couch potatoes. TV never requires real time anything, from going to the bathroom, to actually machining a billet crackshaft for a custom chopper, it takes only minutes to do it. HA
JimN

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Red Mist

01-28-2008 07:34:01




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to Janicholson, 01-28-2008 06:50:33  
Well said, Jim. And what an amazing story your long-time friend has to tell. I'd guess he sees a lot from the perspective of owning that type of business!
mike durhan



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Wardner

01-28-2008 06:28:47




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
Even people, who should know better, don't know better.

My sister-in-law had a fender-bender with her Mercedes 220 diesel. The first thing the appraiser did was to check the oil. He then made the comment that he thought the car had little residual value because the oil was filthy. Must have been his first day on the job.



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tractorsam

01-28-2008 05:57:28




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mkirsch, 01-28-2008 05:37:32  
The dipstick is probably the only thing under the hood that some (don"t know if I should even say most anymore) people recognise these days. Or else something"s gone wrong and they"re working on the birds of feather theory ;) tractorsam



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RustyFarmall

01-28-2008 06:21:31




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to tractorsam, 01-28-2008 05:57:28  
I know folks that will totally ignore any kind of maintenance on their cars until they are planning a long road trip for vacation or whatever, and then it suddenly dawns on them that maybe, just maybe, they should schedule an oil change.



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mark

01-28-2008 11:25:22




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-28-2008 06:21:31  
There was a man many years ago, that worked for the railroad where I did. He wore the dipstick out checking the oil on that jalopy he drove. His home was about 4 miles away. He checked it before he left home and then he checked it before he went home...every time he started the engine. Now I wonder...did he he stop to consider that in the 20 years he drove that car...was the oil low yesterday, what about that morning...or last week, or last month? Is there a puddle of leaking oil under it? Does the car smoke? Did the oil pressure gauge show low pressure, or the idiot light come on while he drove to work? Oh...none of the above? Then it"s quite likely the oil was still in the darned thing. Good maintenance is one thing...but that habit was absurd. No, I"ve never in 30 years of driving ran an engine dry of oil.

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moonlite 37

01-28-2008 14:32:05




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mark, 01-28-2008 11:25:22  
Sounds like militaey. Check before operation and after. Pre operational check and post operational check. Ask the motor sergeant



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f20inmi

01-28-2008 12:12:56




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 Re: OT: Why check the oil? in reply to mark, 01-28-2008 11:25:22  
I find that when you run synthetic and the oil change interval goes to 10000 miles, that our truck will burn about a quart of oil. Never was an issue when I ran conventional oil and changed it every 3500 miles.

My wife was driving home from work and the oil light came on so she immediately pulled over and shut it off. Called me on the cell. Huge puddle of oil underneath the car. I grabbed a gallon of used oil and limped it to the gas station a couple miles away. Turned out to be bad oil pressure sensor. No damage to the engine so I think I got a keeper.

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