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FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor

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Old Bob

01-24-2008 16:28:09




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I need a little info please. Bear in mind I am basically a JD guy, but I still like to look. Today I saw a FAA1 International Tractor. This tractor looks like a Farmall cub, but has a International Harvester Tag. It also has a tag that identifies it as a Illinois State Highway Department tractor. This tractor was originally painted yellow, but since has been painted Farmall red. This is an industrial tractor. Is this tractor rare, and what about the value?

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Bill in NC

01-25-2008 18:51:21




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 16:28:09  
Bob, my cell is 336-301-0386 and usually my phone signal is awful at my house so don't get upset if the call gets cut off from the get go. I can travel all over the USA and normally have good reception but at my house where there is a cell phone tower literally 300 yards away the reception is terrible.



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Bill in NC

01-25-2008 14:26:58




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 16:28:09  
Hugh, as you know I travel a bit and try to keep my eyes open to finding a 600 gas and one of these Super A1 tractors. I doubt if I will land either one, but it gives me yet another thing to do in this journey we call life.
I may have to go the Super HTA route and take a 100 with fast hitch and make it into an A1 with some ingenious sheet metal work.
Hugh, I had an interesting telephone conversation with a fellow Farmall YT member this week who is building an impressive collection and who, incidentally, has a Super A1 in the process of being restored (it does not have the fast hitch). He recently purchased three big Internationals (I think he said 1066, 1466 and ?66). He feels the late, big IH hardware will be appreciating at a pretty good clip in the future.

I'd like to collect the entire 544 series one day, but for now will have to stick to my solitary 140 until the missus and I buy a get away putt-around farm with a future pole barn to house some red gear in our retirement years.

Bill in NC

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Hugh MacKay

01-25-2008 13:07:55




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 16:28:09  
Bob: Open it up to bidding, I'll run Bill for awhile.



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Bill in NC

01-25-2008 12:02:27




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 16:28:09  
Old Bob, thanks for bringing up this interesting discussion topic.

Question: Where did you see this tractor? Is it restored?



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Old Bob

01-25-2008 17:49:44




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Bill in NC, 01-25-2008 12:02:27  
If you will post a cell # and the best time to call I'll give you a call.



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Old Bob

01-25-2008 17:31:55




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Bill in NC, 01-25-2008 12:02:27  
This tractor is not too far from where I live. It is not restored. I buy and sell and this guy called and wanted to know if I was interested. Went to look. I will get the actual serial number tomorrow if it will help. Like I said it has a tag from the Illinois State Highway Department attached to it beside the serial number tag. I know it has a foot pedal right between the two brake pedals.

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Hugh MacKay

01-25-2008 13:05:39




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Bill in NC, 01-25-2008 12:02:27  
Bill: Haven't you found one of those yet? I know, your like me trying to find one, from an owner unaware of what he has.



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Hugh MacKay

01-25-2008 02:54:46




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 16:28:09  
Bob: CNKS has it right FAA1 is a Farmall Super A1. Note the difference between 1 and I. He does have his math a bit wrong, quite uncommon for him. I start with serial 356001 and end with 357958, same as he does only it's 1,957 tractors, instead of 1,672.

I have been told two of the 1,957 were industrials and they would have been taged as IAA1, indicating International Super A1.

In IH circles it is quite a rare tractor. It would have been even more rare had it been industrial. Don't let the paint fool you, many Farmalls got painted industrial yellow if the customer so desired.

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CNKS

01-25-2008 05:51:16




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-25-2008 02:54:46  
Hugh, I don't do math, easy glance at them and see they are different. Those are Guy Fays's numbers, and he says that the serials sometimes do not add to the total production. I forget his reason, I would guess that they aren't always consecutive. I think the tags went on at the end of the production line, easy for a sleepy tag installer to mess up.



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Hugh MacKay

01-25-2008 12:32:16




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to CNKS, 01-25-2008 05:51:16  
CNKS: I have from another source the same beginning and ending serial numbers as you have for Super A1. My understanding is only two of them were IAA1 and the other 1,955 were FAA1.

I can agree with the sleepy production worker senario. Maybe he pop rivited a couple hundred serial tags to his co-workers shirts.



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CNKS

01-24-2008 17:29:31




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 16:28:09  
Read the tag again. If it is an International Super A1, the tag should read Iaa1. The 1 means it is the industrial version of the Super A1, built only in 1954. Main difference is that it has the C123 engine, vs the C113 in Super A's. There were 1672 Super A1's built, both Farmall and International. The vast majority were Farmall, so there weren't many of the International version. Check the serial to make sure, 356001-357958. The engine serial prefix (above the #1 spark plug) should begin with FCM. I can almost promise you that it is not a Cub.

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Red Mist

01-24-2008 16:50:36




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 16:28:09  
Are you sure it's a CUB and not the next biggest size, the Super A? FAA is the model number for the Super A. mike durhan



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Old Bob

01-24-2008 19:07:48




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Red Mist, 01-24-2008 16:50:36  
I said it looks like a cub. It is bigger than a cub. The tag says it is a International Harvester Model FAA1



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CNKS

01-25-2008 05:59:15




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 19:07:48  
You said International Harvester TAG. I thought you meant the decal on the hood, so forget the International version. Again, check the actual serial number, if it is in the range Hugh and I gave, it is a 1954 Farmall Super A1. As a quick check, there is a considerable space between the bottom of the fuel tank and the cast hyd reservoir on the SA1, due to it's taller radiator. If only a Super A, the fuel tank almost touches the top of the reservoir.

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Old Bob

01-24-2008 19:13:11




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 19:07:48  
I got a reply from another chat board that farmall tagged their industrials as Internationals. What a mystery!!!!



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CNKS

01-25-2008 06:01:54




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 19:13:11  
That is correct. Eventually the Farmall name was dropped and everything became simply "International".



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billde

01-24-2008 19:18:58




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 19:13:11  
It should have a square front axle and a foot throttle.



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Hugh MacKay

01-25-2008 03:00:01




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to billde, 01-24-2008 19:18:58  
Bill: Not necessarily, this tractor is a Farmall Super A1 as in (one). The square axle was standard on all I and V models. It was also optional on all Farmall models.



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RN

01-24-2008 16:40:46




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 Re: FAA 1 International Harvester Tractor in reply to Old Bob, 01-24-2008 16:28:09  
Not extremely rare so no big price tag. The International instead of Farmall decals normal for the industrial versions- minor differences from farmall version, no big difference except maybe front ends. Yellow was common for state or county orders- is the suggested safety yellow for road/public utility equipment. Make an intersting tractor- good sometimes for maintenance logs, you might find that the little critter got regular oil changes and tuneups recorded. Value of Cubs range from $500.00 to $3000.00+ depending on market demand and included equipment. A bit much perhaps- but new lawnmowers are going for $5000.00 at times so a useful garden tractor thatcan fit in regular garage is worth it to some people. RN

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