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Carb, coil, tune up info C-263 gas

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bc

01-20-2008 16:31:32




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Well, I took my carb apart again after I had put a kit in it and the needle valve wouldn't close and gas just ran out of it. When I looked at the float this time, it had a slight indention in it where the needle sits. So I adjusted the float to 1 1/4" instead of 1 5/16" to allow for the depression for where the needle touches the float. Put it on and found the gas would shut off when the bowl was full. I thought great, but then it was hard starting and didn't want to stay running very long, then I was running down the battery trying to start and keep it running. Last week and before, it always started very easy, but as I have posted before, it doesn't want to power up under load. Now it doesn't hardly want to start. I could run the starter for a while and it is firing like it is running but when I let go of the starter it doesn't run. I'd only get it to start with the choke completely closed even when the engine was hot. It will also backfire through the exhaust when I did get it wound up and just before it would die which it wasn't really doing before. I managed to move a hay bale. The last 200' consisted of me starting it. revving it up, move forward 10' before it would pull down and die. Then start the process over. I had ran it at half throttle for a half hour when I first got it started before the hydraulic fluid would warm up enough to flow and pick up the bucket. I had also pull the sediment bulb and drained the tank before I started it because I wanted to add another fuel shutoff below the tank because the shutoff from the brand new case/IH sediment bulb always let gas drip out.

I put a condenser in with no help. I was going to put in new points but I couldn't find my feeler guages and the nut where the condenser goes in was too big for a 5/16" and too small for a 3/8" wrench. The 3/8" wouldn't tighten it up. So I stopped there.

I checked the coil after it would run for a while and quit, but it was as ice cold as I was. Decided to buy a new coil anyway, went to TSC. They carry a 6 volt that says it works with a 6v or a 12 v without external resistance. They had a 12 v with external resistance. I don't know what the external resistance is. Went to Orscheln where they had a catalog but didn't stock the coil for an IH. But I did get some new plug wires to put on. I already had put on a new dist cap and rotor. I guess I will also loosen the distributor and see if moving it makes a difference. I don't have a light but if memory serves me, if I retard it a little it will start and run better.

Anyone else have any ideas on the carb, where to get and what type of coil, and the tune-up process? I have read a ton of the old posts on this stuff and have some general ideas but I guess it is replace everything by trial and error. I also looked at that exhaust manifold flapper, I freed it up with some WD and a screw driver. However it doesn't seem to move on its own. I can move the flapper by hand, which way is open and which way is closed, either flapper to the right or up where you can see it?

Thanks for now, Green Bay just scored to go ahead in the 2nd quarter. I know no one will be on the internet till the game is over.

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bc

01-28-2008 15:48:52




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 Re: Carb, coil, tune up info C-263 gas in reply to bc, 01-20-2008 16:31:32  
Here is an update.

I took the carb apart again. Instead of spending $41 for a new float, which I may still have to do, I took a punch and partially flattened out the dent in it where the needle rides. Set the float level a 1/16" over to 1 3/8" to allow for the dent. Put it back together making sure it cleared the gasket. Then I shook it a few times and I could hear the float moving up and down without catching on any thing. The float seemed to stop the free flow of fuel now.

Added a 3/8" tee below the fuel tank outlet with a 2" nipple and cap to catch any rust along with adding a ball valve at the middle of the tee to shut off the fuel as the new sediment bulb now installed after the ball valve didn't seem to totally shut off the gas.

Put in a new 12v internal resistance coil from NAPA, the IC14SB. Put in new IH points along with the new IH condenser that was in there. I can't find a 11/32" wrench anywhere (no one carries them anymore) but found a 9mm worked just fine.

Put on new 7mm copper spark plug wires of the brand from Orscheln. I taped them out on a yard stick for a week at home to try to get the coil out of them.

Put in new autolite 388 spark plugs.

It was late and I didn't get to drive it, but it started up and ran just as slick as can be once I remembered to put the wire back on going from the coil to the dist. I still need to drive it to see if still boggs down in second gear though.

3 questions though:

1. The points adjustment. I would use a .020 feeler guage but when I tightened down on the screw for the final tightening, it would move the bracket and open up the points. I finally adjusted them with a .010 guage and then tightended it down. That left it with the proper .020. What is the best way to do it or what is wrong here?

2. The new spark plug wires are so stiff that I had to route them up and around where they touch the hood or are too close to the block. The new ones were also a right angle attachment at the plug and ride close to the block. The old wires were soft but they had some burnt ends and the ends stuck straight on to the plug where they weren't close to the block and the old rubber boots didn't stay tight on the new dist. I used some of that electrical grease on the new ones. With a couple of them, the boots and wires don't want to stay pushed down in the dist cause of the stiff wires and I don't like the way the copper ends attached to the wires. I know they will come loose or get burnt up over time. Anyone have a better idea on what to do for plug wires?

3. The old plugs. They were a D16. I put in a hotter autolite 388. I numbered them as I took them out. Seems like 4 or 5 of them were oily and 1 or 2 around the middle of the engine were dry and carboned up. This motor has a lot of blowby but it doesn't smoke out the exhaust very much. Does the condition of the plugs suggest anything to anyone?

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bc

01-21-2008 13:57:12




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 Re: Carb, coil, tune up info C-263 gas in reply to bc, 01-20-2008 16:31:32  
Thanks Lynn, that makes sense to me now. I assume I have a 12 volt system because it come with a 12 volt battery hooked up to it but then so far it doesn't seem to keep the battery charged, the amp guage doesn't work, and the headlights don't work either so who knows what a previous owner did to it. Guess I better check the generator output with a volt meter. I am only semi sure that it is a C-263 cause I still can't match up the numbers yet. Anyway what you guys are saying explains why one of the coils I looked at in Orscheln was for a 6 volt system or a 12 volt "without" external resistance. Basically you are saying the coil, points, and condenser are 6 volt. I suppose if I can find a number on the coil on there now, it would verify that it is a 6 volt since it doesn't have a resister hooked to it.

Which would work better, a 6 volt coil without the resistor or a 12 volt coil with a resistor?

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Lynn Davis

01-21-2008 12:12:40




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 Re: Carb, coil, tune up info C-263 gas in reply to bc, 01-20-2008 16:31:32  
I'm guessing with a C-263 that you have a 12V system, go with Glennsters advice on coil. Explanation; coil works with specified volage but 12V will burn the points, external resistor should be between coil and points to reduce voltage at points.



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bc

01-21-2008 09:16:36




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 Re: Carb, coil, tune up info C-263 gas in reply to bc, 01-20-2008 16:31:32  
Thanks Glennster. You may be right about the float. I bent it around to adjust it and it might be scraping the bowl or gasket now. I also had the gasket sitting on the bowl instead of on the throttle body above the float when I put it together and some of the excess gasket may be hanging it up. I think I also forgot to shake it to see if I could hear the float moving up and down this time. I'll get a new one even though this one still seems to be airtight.

About the coil. Mine is 12v. on a C-263. I looked at the caseIH website for a picture and mine does not have an external resistor on it. Do I need one and should I get one? Wouldn't any extra amperage help the spark? If a weak coil is part of my problem, it doesn't seem right to reduce it down. I kinda thought the hotter the coil the better unless there is something else going on here. Thanks again.

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glennster

01-21-2008 05:57:54




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 Re: Carb, coil, tune up info C-263 gas in reply to bc, 01-20-2008 16:31:32  
the nut on the points is 11/32. sounds to me like a problem still exists in the carb with the full choke starting while cold, and the backfiring. as the float has a dent in it at the needle valve, i"d change the float first and reset it. then check to see if the float is dragging on the side of the carb bowl, or if the gasket is sticking too far in the bowl and hanging up the float. napa can get you a coil. if you are 6v system get a 6v coil. if its a 12v and your coil doesnt have an internal resister, get one from napa, tell them you need a ballast resister from an early to mid 1970"s b body chrysler product. its a ceramic resister that will drop your voltage for the coil. i would not move the distributor and change the timing quite yet, however check the timing ad see where its at.

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