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RMR

01-17-2008 08:29:18




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I have been reading the heck out of the forums but i am lost. I accquired a 1956? gasoline 300 U with a loader. I use it to remove snow. It has been running fine for a while but now is becoming a maint. problem.

First: what manual is appropriate for basic maint. that includes the hydraulics, PTO and loader?

Second: Slowly the bucket has begun to sag under its own weight, rasied fine and tilted up. It has slowly begun to not tilt up at all. It will raise and lower fine. Now I get no power to the tilt at all and the lever has very little movement and seems to not push in. There is fluid in the res.(It has been quite cold and water could have been in the line and frozen?) I was given the tractor but I am in a over my head without reference material. I have some time and money to put in to it and want to learn about it. There arent a lot of local resources for help. I am somewhat mechanical when I have manuals and can ask questions when I need to. Any thoughts (besides get rid of it) THANKS

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PaulW_NJ

01-18-2008 04:00:43




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 Re: IH 300 Utility hydraulic problems in reply to Al -VA, 01-17-2008 08:29:18  

RMR said: (quoted from post at 09:29:18 01/17/08) I have been reading the heck out of the forums but i am lost. I accquired a 1956? gasoline 300 U with a loader. I use it to remove snow. It has been running fine for a while but now is becoming a maint. problem.
First: what manual is appropriate for basic maint. that includes the hydraulics, PTO and loader?

Second: Slowly the bucket has begun to sag under its own weight, rasied fine and tilted up. It has slowly begun to not tilt up at all. It will raise and lower fine. Now I get no power to the tilt at all and the lever has very little movement and seems to not push in. There is fluid in the res.(It has been quite cold and water could have been in the line and frozen?) I was given the tractor but I am in a over my head without reference material. I have some time and money to put in to it and want to learn about it. There arent a lot of local resources for help. I am somewhat mechanical when I have manuals and can ask questions when I need to. Any thoughts (besides get rid of it) THANKS


You didn’t state if you have an IH loader and IH hydraulic control valves, or one of the loaders IH offered with another manufacturer, such as Wagner or Pippin. The best manuals for IH hydraulics are

GSS-1280 Hydraulics Troubleshooting

GSS-1278 Hydraulics: Valves and Systems

They’re both available on eBay.
If I understand the symptoms you described correctly, you can still raise the loader arms normally, but tilting the bucket has become slower and it will not stay in tilt position but rather sags. It's not the arms that sag but only the bucket. As you know, there are two control valves, one raises the loader arms, the other controls the bucket tilt. The fact that one control valve appears to work properly, and the other doesn’t, would likely rule out what’s common to them both, which is the hydraulics pump. If the tilt cylinder isn’t leaking, then you can rule that out and you’re left with the tilt control valve. The fact that you’re encountering resistance even moving that valve further suggests something’s wrong there. The control valves contain a number of seals, orifices, and springs, and closely machined tolerances, that need to work correctly to hold a load. Sounds like there is some sort of blockage that you must rebuild the valve to investigate. I did so on my 340U and found a lot of crud in there. On the other hand, if this has only begun happening with very low temperatures, I suppose there could be ice crystals doing the same, as you mentioned . . . Maye you could move it inside, or warm up the valve with a hair drier to test out that possibility before you start taking the valve apart.

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big fred

01-17-2008 21:11:31




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 Re: IH 300 Utility hydraulic problems in reply to RMR, 01-17-2008 08:29:18  
If the history is unknown or if you suspect water in the lines, I'd recommend changing out the fluid, removing the reservoir cover (the big casting the seat bolts to) and cleaning the filter screen. Good time to disconnect and blow out all the lines, too. When you start it up again, just use a little air pressure (about 5 psi) into the reservoir vent to get it to prime.

One caution, the reservoir cover, though not that awful heavy, is cumbersome to lift, and the screen mounts to it and hangs down so that you shouldn't sit it on it's bottom edge. Probably best to use a hoist of some sort to remove it.

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Armand Tatro

01-17-2008 16:38:01




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 Re: IH 300 Utility hydraulic problems in reply to RMR, 01-17-2008 08:29:18  
If I remenber right I years ago I got 2 gauges from TSC. l went to 100 lbs. for engine oil PSI and the the other went to 3000 or 5000 PSI for hyd. oil. I think I got both for about $50 plus mabey another $50 or $75 for hoeses and fittings. Armand



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bc

01-17-2008 10:27:00




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 Re: IH 300 Utility hydraulic problems in reply to RMR, 01-17-2008 08:29:18  
I don't claim to be an expert and I'm still sorting out my hydraulic problems. However based on what I have learned so far:

1. You cylinders/bucket should not sag absent a leaking seal in a cylinder or somewhere else. If all cylinders are sagging then the leak is somewhere else and most likely a bypass check valve. It could be that it is plugged, iced open or whatever. This would also account for not enough fluid and pressure to move the bucket all the time. Go to www.caseih.com and search for parts for your model or a similar model of that age. There will be a diagram for everything. Look also to see if any lines go to the case under the seat cause there may be a check valve there that may be the culprit and frozen water/sludge may be the problem somewhere.

2. I am at the point on mine, that I am just going to start opening a line (with the tractor off) and then test it to see if there is enough fluid and psi coming out and do this until I isolate the problem part.

3. You can flow test your own pump. Break a line loose and put it in a 5 gal bucket. Start tractor and the valve for whatever line you broke loose. As an example, a 12 gpm pump will put out about 1 gal every 5 seconds. Mark your bucket and check the time it takes to do a couple gallons. Just don't do enough to empty your supply to the pump. Doing this trial and error method may help you find the bad part. The flow test doesn't tell you about the exact pressure though. You have to put a tee in somewhere with a 3000# psi guage to do that. I haven't bought one cause those guages are not very cheap and I haven't found one yet. But from the flow test, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess whether you have a problem or not with psi as it may just blow it out so fast you can't keep it in the bucket. These high pressures are something to be very careful of and you don't want to be in the line of fire.

On the manuals, look to this website or do a search on ebay for your model and manual. Lots of manuals there at varying prices.

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agpilot

01-17-2008 09:24:20




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 Re: IH 300 Utility hydraulic problems in reply to RMR, 01-17-2008 08:29:18  
RMR: ...also use the "Search" function near the top right (classic viewing) to read about other similar problems with tractors in that same series like 300 and 350/350U. May not be a direct answer but you mentioned you would like to learn more... good luck. agpilot. Ps: don't run that hyd pump dry as it's expensive to replace.



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georgeky

01-17-2008 08:44:30




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 Re: IH 300 Utility hydraulic problems in reply to RMR, 01-17-2008 08:29:18  
Look to the left and click on tractor manuals. They have them here. It won't cover the loader, but it will cover your hydraulic system. I would guess that ice is your problem. If so it should get better after running a while and warming up. I wouldn't get rid of a tractor that was given to me at all. There is also check valve blocks that sometimes give a little trouble. Not sure were they all are on the utility. All I have are row crop models.

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