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w6tractor

01-14-2008 16:55:14




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While removing the water jacket cover on a Super H, I broke off the two bottom studs (rusty from long time leakage). Any suggestions about how to remove them? I don't think there is enough left sticking out to get a good grip on them. Thanks




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w6tractor

01-16-2008 11:09:41




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 Re: Broken Stud in reply to w6tractor, 01-14-2008 16:55:14  
Thanks for all of the suggestions! Think I'll try welding a nut to it first. Already been soaking it for weeks with penetrating oil. I'll let you know the results.



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Andy Motteberg

01-14-2008 22:10:09




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 Re: Broken Stud in reply to w6tractor, 01-14-2008 16:55:14  
I saw this in YTMAG.

Removing Broken Bolts Another great discussion from the Tool Talk Discussion Forum. The discussion started out with the following post: " How would I remove a bolt thats broken off in a piece of metal and I want to save the treads in the metal and then put in a new bolt. " What followed are some interesting replies: " I have had good luck with the following method- heard about it several years ago and never would have believed it until I tried it. It works best if there is some bolt still sticking up where you can get ahold of it. Here goes: 1. Heat the bolt only first, then let it cool naturally.
2. Heat the area around the bolt AND the bolt at the same time.
3. While the bolt and surrounding area are hot, get an ice cube and put on the bolt ONLY. BE CAREFUL-WEAR GLOVES FOR PROTECTION.
4. Normally, if you can get a pair of vice-grips on the bolt, it will spin right out. No drilling required. Hard to believe, but it works. Try it. " " Drill a hole in the middle an weld it shut with 6013 then weld a nut on it ,and turn it out because it shrinks the bolt. " " All good advice, what I usually do though, is drill a hole in the bolt using a cobalt or titanium nitride bit. They cut better in higher grade bolts, but use lots of lubricant. Then I heat the bolt with a torch until it's red hot. Then, walk away and do something else until it's completely cool. The expansion and contraction will usually free up the bolt enough to make an easy-out effective. If this fails, I get out the trusty die grinder. Good luck! " " You can use an easy out. All you do is drill a hole (the size wil be given on the easy out) then screw in this thing that looks like a drywall screw with very coarse threads. They run opposite of the bolt threads, so the tighter you turn, the better the grip. You can also weld a nut on the end. The heat from welding will help loosen it up, as well. " " If you are going to drill a hole use a reversable drill with a left handed bit. Sometimes you get lucky and the drill bit will spin that bolt right out. " " Be careful with the easy-out. If the bolt was stuck enough to break off, it's usually stuck enough to break an easy-out, and then you have BIG problems. If any of the bolt is sticking up where you can get at it, welding on a nut works fairly often. Also, before trying anything, get some penetrating oil, such as Kroil or Liquid Wrench, and soak the area good and tap firmly on the bolt off and on for a couple of days. " " There's also another method that works, but "It Ain't Cheap" and is mentioned in case you have a one of a kind thingy that can't be replaced and money is not the issue (I had it done once on an engine block and the chair I was sitting in still looks like it was set up for pulling a gooseneck trailer). It's called E.D.M. or electric discharge machining. It really can burn an exotic alloy bolt out of a much weaker metal without damaging the weaker metal (seen it done or I wouldn't have believed it). "

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Wisconsin Cowman

01-14-2008 18:16:15




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 Re: Broken Stud in reply to w6tractor, 01-14-2008 16:55:14  
All you need is a little bit sticking out and weld a nut on to the studs.



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Lanse

01-14-2008 17:58:27




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 H I !!! in reply to w6tractor, 01-14-2008 16:55:14  
Is there any chance you cluld weld them back??



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Maark

01-14-2008 17:21:21




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 Re: Broken Stud in reply to w6tractor, 01-14-2008 16:55:14  
If you have access to a torch, heat them red hot and let them cool. Should screw out with a vice grips, or as Brent said, weld a flat washer on them and then a nut, let them cool will usually come right out.



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Scott Rukke

01-14-2008 17:17:38




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 Re: Broken Stud in reply to w6tractor, 01-14-2008 16:55:14  
Here is what I had to do recently. If there's not enough to grab then grind them flush. Use a center punch and be sure you get the exact center and punch the stud. Then drill them out starting small and graduating to the next size bit each time. On one an easy out eventually brought it out but on the other I had to keep drilling larger until the hole was just smaller than the original threads. Then I used a pick to try and pull the remaining pieces out. I ran a tap through it and it worked fine. The last one I ended up using a heli-coil. If you're not familiar with them you just drill the thing out and then tap it one size larger and thread in the coil. It acts as your new threads. This was on a head bolt torqued to 90 pounds so they hold good. Heli-coil kits come with the tap and couls and insert tool but not the drill bit. I had to use a Dremel periodically too. It was a bit of work but all turned out OK.

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Janicholson

01-14-2008 17:15:59




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 Re: Broken Stud in reply to w6tractor, 01-14-2008 16:55:14  
Drill through the centers until you feel that bigger will be in the threads. Then use a small tip in an acetylene torch to blow heat through the hole. This over heats the bolt with no effect on the block. Then stick the easy out in and remove them. Several heat cool operations might be needed. JimN



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Brent R. Weaver

01-14-2008 17:14:57




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 Re: Broken Stud in reply to w6tractor, 01-14-2008 16:55:14  
If you have a mig welder I weld a flat washer to the bolt then a nut to the flat washer, let it cool a little then try to remove it. The heat from the mig welder heats up the bolt enough to loosen it. Brent



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wolfman

01-14-2008 17:05:23




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 Re: Broken Stud in reply to w6tractor, 01-14-2008 16:55:14  
I've had success using a sharp chisel. Angle it so that its side (sharp corner) digs in near outside of stud 7 tap tap with hammer. Slow & tedious but works.



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