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percy

01-02-2008 14:24:33




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Further to my problem of no spark thanks in advance for all your help. I have been running my Super C on a dodge Horizon car coil without a ballast resistor. I thought that since the car was 12v that I did not need a resistor. What will happen if I don't use the resistor?how can I tell if the coil is 6 or 12v,I can't see it marked on the coil,but i see the Morpar # 4176009. Percy




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terryjd

01-03-2008 18:42:54




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 Re: 6 of 12 v coil in reply to percy, 01-02-2008 14:24:33  
I had a couple of 70's Dodges and they had the white ballest resistors. Always had to keep an extra in the glove compartment incase it blew, throw another one on and away you go. As for a coil when my dad's M was switched to 12 volt just used a 12 volt coil with an internal resistor. I did the samething last fall when I switched my SC to 12 volt. Just need to ask for an 12 volt coil with an internal resistor, think was around $25.00.

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John T

01-02-2008 16:18:49




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 Re: 6 of 12 v coil in reply to percy, 01-02-2008 14:24:33  
Percy, youre right that if its a full true 12 volt coil NO BALLAST IS REQUIRED.

How can you tell if its a 6 or 12 volt coil if its not labeled??? Use an ohmmeter on the R x 1 scale and the primary resistance measured between the lil + and - terminals will be around 1.25 to under 2 ohms if its a 6 volt coil but more like 2.5 to 3.5 ohmns if its a 12 volt coil.

NOTE 1) A coil labeled "12 volts for use with external ballast resistor" is in reality only a 6 volt coil n requires a ballast just like it says it does. If labeled 12 volts or 12 volts not for use with ballast resistor then its a 12 volt coil no ballast used

NOTE 2) Some coils designed for some electronic ignitions are NOT like the regular old points n condensor coils. They operate from a higher voltage pulse/spike and dont operate like the old ignitions. Its still possible to get a spark from then usign points but thats NOT really what they were designed for

NOTE 3) In and around the seventies Chrysler had a first generation elec ignition that used a regular looking can coil buttttt ttt it had a 2 unit external ballast resistor. One was for startign another for running. I cant say at what exact voltage those coils ran on but if thats the coil you have it may require a non standard (which is 1.5 to 1.85 ohms) ballast resistor size. If youre not using that size ballast with that coil it may have a weak spark or may be running too hot n breaking down

My friend Old is right on the money in that if the coil is so hot you cant lay your hand on it it may be a 6 volt coil and needs a correct sized ballast usually the 1.5 to 1.85 ohms range.

This ought to be alllll ll you need to know to figure out your coil questions

John T

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Janicholson

01-02-2008 15:25:30




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 Re: 6 of 12 v coil in reply to percy, 01-02-2008 14:24:33  
A Horizon will be an electronic ignition coil. If the coil is not getting hot when running for an hour, (so hot you can't put your hand on it) then I would leave it alone. If the points are not burning out in abnormally short intervals, it is just fine. Some transistor ignitions use resistor wire within the loom, others use a resistor block, others use no resistor at all. The dealer would know. JimN

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old

01-02-2008 15:18:18




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 Re: 6 of 12 v coil in reply to percy, 01-02-2008 14:24:33  
I'm like Goe. I can't say for sure but it probably needs to have one. Do you still have that car?? If you do just look on the fire wall for a ballast resister if it has one then you need one if it doesn't then you don't need one. Or call a dodge dealer and ask if it uses a ballast resister on that type of car, if it does then ask them for one or call your local auto parts store and get one

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georgeky

01-02-2008 14:47:01




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 Re: 6 of 12 v coil in reply to percy, 01-02-2008 14:24:33  
Don't know about the Horizon, but all Dodge cars I was ever around used a ceramic ballist resistor in the hot wire ahead of the coil.



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John T

01-02-2008 16:23:24




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 Re: 6 of 12 v coil in reply to georgeky, 01-02-2008 14:47:01  
George, Id tend to agree on that. In or around the seventies thay had a dual unit ballast resistor and later went to a single regular ballast. Leave it to Chrysler to do something dofferent huh lol

John T



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