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Pepper boy

01-01-2008 06:29:12




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How difficult is it to change seals on a m axle? What type seal are they and are they available at auto parts stores? Thanks. Scott




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Pepper boy

01-01-2008 10:49:45




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 06:29:12  
I had no problem getting it apart. Just jacked it up and blocked under and wobbled the rim off. Easier said than done but still no problem. Is there an alternative for the felt outer seal available from auto parts store? Thanks. Scott.



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Bob Kerr

01-02-2008 08:04:12




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 10:49:45  
The felt is a dust shield. While your wheel is off look closely at where the axle goes through the cap and see if the spacing from top to bottom is the same and that the axle hasn"t been rubbing the cap. If axel is closer to the cap at the top, than the bottom, then the bearings are worn. Ms with worn bearings can throw out a ball and the ball can get between the large bull gear and blow a hole in the bottom of the rear end. That happened to Grandpas M when it was only a few years old. From what Dad said about fixing that, trust me , you don"t want it to happen.

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Bob Kerr

01-01-2008 09:22:36




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 06:29:12  
9 times out of 10 the reason a seal goes bad is because of a bad bearing. Check them while you have the tractor jacked up and the wheel still on. If the wheel rocks with a pry bar under the tire bearings are bad. I got all my bearings and seals at a bearing house and they were MUCH cheaper than anyone else. I used "Coldwell" in Terre Haute Indiana.



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Allan In NE

01-01-2008 09:28:34




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Bob Kerr, 01-01-2008 09:22:36  
Or,

Baler twine left to wrap around the axle.

Allan

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Allan In NE

01-01-2008 09:20:08




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 06:29:12  
WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T DO IT MY WAY!!!!

Allan

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georgeky

01-01-2008 10:52:03




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Allan In NE, 01-01-2008 09:20:08  
Allan, we both operate much the same way. Some make way to big a deal out of this stuff. I remember you posted a pic of one of your tractors with the front end removed, and tractor sitting on a bottle jack. That is exactly how I do it. Got one now sitting propped up on a 2 by 6. Been there for a year and half. Hasn't as much as budged. We have a not so PC name for such tools as that hi lift jack and iron diggers(spud bar) and things.

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Allan In NE

01-01-2008 16:07:45




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to georgeky, 01-01-2008 10:52:03  
Yeah,

But we grew up on the things too.

Lots of these guys haven't and I'd sure hate for one of 'em to get hurt doing it "our way". :>)

Allan



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georgeky

01-01-2008 18:54:04




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Allan In NE, 01-01-2008 16:07:45  
Yep, that is very true. Just like the difference of being raised on a tricycle front end opposed to the wide. Makes a big difference and lots of folks just never learn to trust the tricycle.



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NDS

01-01-2008 17:49:07




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Allan In NE, 01-01-2008 16:07:45  
Yeah, And some of the jobs that stretch into weeks now we had to get done and have tractor in field the next day.



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Wayne in MN

01-01-2008 09:11:50




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 06:29:12  
Emery cloth, wire brush, & a large mill file will take any roughness off the axle. Be sure to round over the edges of the grooves in the axle; a sharp edge will cut your new seal and allow future leaks. Applying some grease on the axle before sliding the new seal on will help reduce any damage to the seal.



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gene bender

01-01-2008 07:30:41




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 06:29:12  
I get my best discount at local CAR QUEST for all seals and also oil filters eg both outer and inner seals for an A or B diff shafts less than 50



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Haas

01-01-2008 07:13:55




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 06:29:12  
I did this a few years ago to my MD. One of them still leaks. The seal has to slide all the way in from the end of the axle when you reinstall the axle cap. Therefore, make sure the axle is clean and smooth so you don't damage the seal. It's not a bad job but you need help, or some lifting equipment to get the rims, weights (if you have them) and hubs off. I found the retainer bolts in the axle clamps were a bit stubborn. No problems other than that the one still leaks.

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Andy Martin

01-01-2008 07:47:51




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Haas, 01-01-2008 07:13:55  
I've had good luck in the past wrapping the shaft in thin plastic and pulling everything together to ge ta seal down a long shaft. It's best to pull the plastic off just before the seal disappears in the housing because it can tear and leave a little plastic under the seal.



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Maark

01-01-2008 07:09:42




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 06:29:12  
Got some at NAPA this fall. They're in the NAPA parts book. around $15.00 each.



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Clarkbug

01-01-2008 06:55:05




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 06:29:12  
I have to do the same thing this coming spring, and Im not looking forward to pulling everything off of the axles.
I asked around and my TEMCO dealer (I dont know if they are everywhere or not) has them, so does the NAPA like John said.
I havent tried it myself, but from reading on the boards some people swear that the John Deere dealer has the best prices for seals if you bring a part # for a cross reference. (Dont hate me for mentioning JD on the IH forumthird party image)

Good luck, and let us know how it goes. I know Im curious to see how easy it is for you.

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MN Scott

01-01-2008 06:50:21




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 06:29:12  
Block tractor up and carefully remove the wheel from the axle. Wirebrush the rust and crud off the axle. Remove the 4 bolts and slide the cap off the axle. Then you drive out the old seal and install the new one. Seals can be bought at any parts store but there is a felt seal that goes outside of the oil seal that helps keep out dirt. You will have to get this from a CIH dealer. Goto CIH website and click on lookup parts to access the CIH online parts catalog to get the IH part number to take to your parts store so they can cross referance it to current seal part number.

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John M

01-01-2008 06:39:01




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 Re: M axle seals in reply to Pepper boy, 01-01-2008 06:29:12  
The hardest part will be getting the tire and hub off, but its easy other than that. Got my seals at Napa.



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