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Daniel Hindry

12-28-2007 23:53:17




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Can anyone please point me in the right direction? I am trying to repair a b275 tractor with a diesel engine. I am pretty sure it is a bd144. There is no serial plates on the tractor to identify it.

It has been running perfectly for the last 10 years and recently I replaced the glow plugs as it was hard to start in the winter.

It worked perfectly after this for about two weeks, now after about 10 - 20 mins of running it just shudders to a stop.

I have replaced fuel, ran injector cleaner, replaced fuel filters, bleed the fuel injector pump.

It doesn't matter how many times I turn it over or try to crash start it. It then sits for a few days and then after many times turning it over it will fire and run well for another 20 - 30 minutes.

I have had the injectors looked at and they were fine too.

The only thing that I can think of now is that the timing is out???? It has a fuel injector pump on the right hand side of the engine, (looking from the front).

Can anyone shed some light on how this operates? And whether it easy to check if it is setup correctly?

Thanks for all your help it is greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Daniel

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georgeky

12-29-2007 20:46:05




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Daniel Hindry, 12-28-2007 23:53:17  
Not sure, but my 424 done a similar thing a few years back. It would start and run fine, but died in 5 minutes or less. I took the pump to shop, and the guy told me a regulating spring was broke or worn. He checked, and the spring was not available, so he told me that IH didn't have it anymore, but Bic did. The spring out of an ink pen works fine. Mine has been running for 12 or 15 years with the pen spring in it. This is a CAV pump. Look on CaseIH.com at the 424/BD154/fuel system. It shows the spring. I think it is number 81 or 83. not sure. You can take this apart yourself to check the spring. Mine was broken into 3 pieces. Let us know what you find.

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Daniel Hindry

12-29-2007 17:31:59




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Daniel Hindry, 12-28-2007 23:53:17  
Thanks for all your suggestions guys. I have been through and checked/tightened all the fuel lines. I have checked for blockages from the fuel tank too. Everything seems tight and their is tons of fuel feeding from the small fuel pump over to the fuel filter.

I have bled the system again and it has started first time. I also took the oil filled air filter off and replaced the oil in this.

I have taken some photos to see if the fuel injector pump can be identified. It is fed via to fuel lines from the canister fuel filter. It also has a pipe that comes down from the exhaust manifold and goes into the front of the case where I assume the drive cog is.

Here are the photos....

Http://hindry.net.nz/photography/tractor/sm0003.JPG
Http://hindry.net.nz/photography/tractor/sm0002.JPG
Http://hindry.net.nz/photography/tractor/sm0001.JPG

Thanks

Daniel

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supera3

12-29-2007 14:55:22




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Daniel Hindry, 12-28-2007 23:53:17  
I think this is a fuel line blockage. My late model B-275 did not have a screen inside the tank and acted the same way. I removed complete sediment bowl assy. and found a bee. Put an inch tall screen in it when I put it back!



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jdemaris

12-29-2007 14:18:28




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Daniel Hindry, 12-28-2007 23:53:17  
You didn't mention what vintage of B275. The early ones have a CAV inline pump and an air-governor that works from an air-shutter valve in the intake.

The later B275s have CAV rotary pumps and the governor is all inside the pump.

I mention that because the older B275s can get stuck air shutters and act like they're running out of fuel. It happened twice to mine from mud-wasps plugging it up.

On both my B275s, they've died slowly, and would then restart after sitting. That was caused by diesel bacteria plugging up the fuel screen in the tank. Very easy to fix once you know what it is.

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Fromjb2

12-29-2007 05:47:48




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Daniel Hindry, 12-28-2007 23:53:17  
Hi Daniel, have experienced a similar problem on a B414D which is same as B275 expect B414D has BD154 engine. Our problem was caused by junk in the bottom of the fuel tank. Try a simple thing first, try running it with the fuel tank filler cap removed just in case the vent holes are clogged. If it stops after 20 minutes then with a clean container to catch the fuel, open the fuel supply line at the right side of the tractor there should be a fuel shut off valve between the tank and the lift pump. The fuel should flow the full of the pipe from the fuel tank. If it doesnt then the problem is between there and the tank.
Hugh also had some good suggestions about fuel line leaks.

Hope this helps.
JimB

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Hugh MacKay

12-29-2007 03:11:31




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Daniel Hindry, 12-28-2007 23:53:17  
Daniel: You speak of it running 15 to 20 minutes as long as there is enough time between those periods. How smooth does it run when it does run?

Sounds like the fuel system is sucking in air, while running. Then after it stops, if given time it will purge the air by graviety as the fuel tank is above the pump. If that is the case, the leak must be very close to the pump, even within the pump. The reason I say this, you don't mention having to bleed it to get it restarted. Quite often cracks in the fuel system can cause this, either lines, fittings, filter bases, even pump housing. I can tell you, some of these cracks can be hard to find, especially if it's small enough to suck air, yet not leak fuel.

One other thing could the return line from pump to fuel tank be plugged. I've never had this happen, thus I don't know the symptoms, but have noticed in discussion it causes problems. There are guys here on YT with this experience.

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Daniel Hindry

12-29-2007 11:55:48




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-29-2007 03:11:31  
Thanks guys I will try this.

When it is running it runs brilliantly, no smoke full power. No missing at all.

When the fuel lines are removed from the injectors, how powerful should the pressure of the fuel be?

They tend to squirt out a jet about an inch in length.

Cheers

Daniel



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jdemaris

12-29-2007 14:13:14




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Daniel Hindry, 12-29-2007 11:55:48  
When the fuel lines are unhooked, there is no pressure and not an awful lot of fuel either.



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Fromjb2

12-29-2007 13:24:27




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Daniel Hindry, 12-29-2007 11:55:48  
Daniel, if I remember correctly the injector trip pressure on the B414D was about 2200 PSI, so B275 should be the same. Becareful with the high pressure lines to the injectors as high pressure Diesel fuel can cause serious injury.

JimB



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Fromjb2

12-30-2007 14:06:22




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Fromjb2, 12-29-2007 13:24:27  
Hi Daniel, from your photos, your B275 is a later model and has a CAV injection pump same as B414D and MF Perkins Diesels. CaseIH parts calls them a D.P.A. injection pumps. There is a complete break down of parts on the CaseIH parts web site under B414 Diesel. B275 only shows pump and external bits.
The inlet is the pipe closest to the starter and there is a filter under that big nut on the inlet of the pump. Look at the CaseIH B414 Diesel inject pump parts web site before you take the nut off the injection pump as there are plungers and springs under that nut.

When you bleed the pump make sure you get fuel coming out the top hole in the injection pump. This is where the governor control resides and it relies on Diesel fuel for lubrication.

Still believe your tractor problems are fuel related.

JimB

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Daniel Hindry

01-04-2008 12:13:49




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Fromjb2, 12-30-2007 14:06:22  
Latest findings.....
Filter (bowl) under fuel tank wasn"t letting fuel through intermittently. I can"t work out how to remove this without taking the whole tank off. Blew it out with an air compressor and emptied all the waste out the bottom nut.

Placed an inline fuel cartridge in with a clear body so that I can see the fuel flowing.

Bled the tractor and it started first time. Runs better than it ever has.

Took it for a test drive, up some hills etc didn"t stop once. Hooked the boat up to it this morning, and only got about 500 meters down the road and it died again.

I am going to have a look at the diesel fuel injector pump filter and see if that is blocked too.

Only seems to be when under load it dies.

I don"t think it is air in the fuel lines, I introduced an air leak the other day, and the tractor didn"t miss a beat when sucking in air.

Cheers

Daniel

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Daniel Hindry

01-04-2008 17:08:36




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 Re: B275 stops running in reply to Daniel Hindry, 01-04-2008 12:13:49  
I have taken the fuel injector pump regulator/governor apart, cleaned the smalls screen filter and checked all the parts, found that the little piston seemed to be very very tight inside the sleeve.

Here in New Zealand Diesel fuel has had something removed from it recently, might be sulfur? From what I have found it was used as a lubricant.

I am going to go to the shops and see if I can find an additive to add to the fuel.

Put it back together and runs a treat.

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