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j440

12-28-2007 17:01:45




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Im getting ready to trailer my H home, any tips on how to chain it down to the trailer? should i just run chain through the wheels? let me know. it is also a narrow front, any useful tips to get it on?




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moseed

12-29-2007 07:43:42




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
My son and I have made separate trips to Michigan, Ohio, North Dakota, Iowa and Missourri amongst others bringing old tractors back to California. It is the law that you have grade 70 or better chain. lots of fellows out there buying soft chain from Harber Freight that are oblivious to that fact. When a sudden stop occurrs (and it will) thats when you will be glad for not taking short cuts. Use a binder on each chain and use four separate attachment (chains) and four separate binders. As mentioned previously a crossing pattern from one side to the other. It's best to attache to an axle. Next best is a wheel. Have friends and aquaintances who have had loads come loose attaching to draw bars. Draw bar attachments can be weak if you do not know the tractor. Another tip. I pull a bumper pull deck-over, pintle hitch 24' trailer with a Chevy Duramax. The trailer weighs 4,000 lbs. empty and has tandem (10,000 lb each) single wheel axles. Stopped useing a fifth wheel set-up because I was getting waived into weigh stations with it all the time it seemed....and we all know its uphill from there. A friendly California Highway patrolman who happened to be old tractor friendly told me bumper pulls, unless agregiously overloaded and visably unsafe were virtually never waived in. Thats all it took for me and I have not been forced to weigh since.Can't begin to tell you how important it is to your nerves and ability to relax when you are satisfied the load is secure. Think about the innocents involved in accidents. Imagine every time someone goes by you on a two lane road in the opposite direction pulling something and that something could come loose at any time. It so happens that those who create accidents have usually been flying by the seat of their pants for many many trips and than luck runs out for anyone close at the time of failure. Sorry for the rant guys.

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NDS

12-29-2007 08:51:17




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to moseed, 12-29-2007 07:43:42  
Federal regulations allow use of soft chain if it is rated for load being secured. If chain is not marked it will be condsidered to be lightest rated chain.

California Code of Regulation, Cargo Securement Standard..says in part..This amendent will adopt language identical to that language contained in Title 49, Code of Federal Regulations (49 CFR) commencing with part 393, subpart I, Protection Against Shifting and Falling Cargo.

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NDS

12-29-2007 07:04:10




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
If you want to really get into tie down rules do Google search for "Cargo Securement Rules-Federal" and you will find anything you want to know and more.



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NDS

12-29-2007 07:12:09




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to NDS, 12-29-2007 07:04:10  
Scroll down near bottom to 393.128 c for trucks, cars, vans and equipment under 10,000 lbs.



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don g

12-29-2007 06:53:00




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
randy touched on this and its as important as the tie downs and that is to have your load far enuf forward on the trailer.i always like to have my load 10% forward of center IE a 5000# load will have 500# tongue weight on tow vehicle.too far forward isnt good either and too far back is very dangerous.



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Randy-IA

12-28-2007 21:00:12




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
What Chip man said . Panic stops are are harder on tie downs than accellerating . Like I've always said about the semi I drive in the construction company I work for - I won't ever out accellerate a load with four wheels getting it moving but I can sure stop before it will with 18 wheels braking ! Same holds true for a pickup with a trailer - you have more braking ability than accelleration ability . Soooo... Assuming it moves under it's own power , use two GOOD 3/8" grade 7 or 8 LOAD binding chains on the rear and at least one chain and binder in the front to keep things TIGHT ( ! ) . On most of the wheeled equipment I move I put the chains on the rear axle and try to loop the hooked ends back to themselves to form a complete circle ( without a binder ) angled out to the sides and tighten them with the machine itself ( it'll need good brakes or a second person ) . Don't worry if you can't loop them , a graded chain is rated over 5000lbs so just pull the chains as tight as possible by hand and hook back to itself and then gently run the machine forward to tighen them . By myself it takes a few times up and down to get it right . A looped chain counts as two chains by the DOT for total load . After the rear chains are tight secure the front and pull the binder VERY tight . The higher you can get the chains on the tractor the better . You'll get a much smoother ride as a bonus too . Leave it in gear with the brakes set if it has any . If not then blocks of wood nailed in front and behind the tires . Have fun ! ...Randy PS: Get the trailer balanced right also or the trip won't be very enjoyable .

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chip man

12-28-2007 19:50:04




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
I beleive that the DOT rules on load securement have been harmonized between canada and the usa. The rules in canada are really intended for commercial truckers, but they apply to everyone who hauls a load. The rules are quite specific about having the safe working load rating of your attatching points and hardware adding up to more than 50% of the weight of your load. If your hardware (chains binders or straps)are not marked for SWL or grade for chain the authorities will assume they are useless. With an H it would be legal to use two 3/8" transport 7 rated chains. I would use four, two on the front frame and two on the rear axle with each one angled to the corners of the trailer. Running the chains through the wheels would not hold the tractor from moving, if it can move it is not secure. If it looks like the tractor will stay on with the trailer in the ditch, your good to go LOL

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tmonton

12-28-2007 19:28:59




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
Always chain down each corner. Even then they will work slack over time.

I wouldn't want to lose a load like that because you should have done something.

Good heavy chains and turn buckles.



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Andy Martin

12-28-2007 19:18:20




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
It is important to recognize you need the chains most when you are in a panic stop. Unless local laws require otherwise, one chain in front is enough but you should have two independent chains at the back holding the tractor from moving forward. I like to chain around the axle, an old drawbar can come off in an emergency and an H is too big to put in the cab with you.

Next step, take it slow and easy, giving yourself plenty of room to stop.

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JT

12-28-2007 17:39:48




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
Don't know about your state, but Illinois DOT says you have to have 4 chains/straps and 4 binders of some sort. 2 in front, 2 in back. I put one chain on each frame rail in front, both sides, and 1 on the drawbar in back, with chain binder on back chain, not legal, but not been caught yet.With all the police that wil be on the road, you better check your states DOT regs. You should not have to scale, you should not be over 16K, unless you have huge trailer. If you are going very far on an Interstate, you might make a copy of DOT regs on securing loads, most police officers do not know all the facts, might save you a little in the long run.

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NE NEB Farmall

12-28-2007 17:14:11




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
I chain mine through the front wheel rims to the front of the trailer and over the rear U bar to the back of the trailer. I use #70 chain and chain binders. Make sure you have enough weight on the plates of your trailer if you have to stop at a DOT weight station



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CNKS

12-28-2007 17:13:56




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
Some people use 3 chains, one for the front and 1 on each side on the back, you could use 4. I have good chains and use one in front and one in back. If one chain breaks, though, I am doomed. The front one can go through the wheels. You can do the same on the back, but I loop it through the drawbar. Don't run the chains perpendicular to the trailer, but place them at an angle so that they are pulling against each other. I have a heavy wooden ramp for the front wheels. Position it on the trailer so that the the rear of your truck dips slightly. Best to use a load equalizing hitch, but not many people have them. Check the chains for tightness after running a couple of miles. They do get loose.

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Norm in Alabama

12-28-2007 17:12:39




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 17:01:45  
Chain both sides of the front to the forward trailer frame on each side. Run a chain from one side of the trailer to the other across the hitch and use an adjustable load binder to get it tight. Also tie the front chain with a load binder. Make sure it is tight. Lock brakes on tractor. After driving 15-30 miles check load binders to see if still tight. re-tighten if necessary. Check ever so often for safety and arrive with it safely.

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j440

12-28-2007 19:29:44




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to Norm in Alabama, 12-28-2007 17:12:39  
thanks a lot for the tips, i was just planning on one through the front wheels, and another through the drawbar.. both pulling opposite of each other. how heavy duty of a wooden ramp is needed to support the front tires of the tractor?



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Va Gasman

12-29-2007 05:34:36




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 Re: trailering an H in reply to j440, 12-28-2007 19:29:44  
On rowcrop H i load it with out center ramp. Come on at angle front wheels up left ramp and then straighten up and ride up and on. i have a low trailer makes easier. I saw a guy load a 3000 ford with no ramps. He moved drawbar ,backed up to the back of trailer and let cleats of tire grab trailer and it went right on . I think it's abusive to the tires. I would use ramps.



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