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IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption

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tf

12-25-2007 21:10:44




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How does the fuel consumption of a 986 compare to a JD 4240. I run a 4240 and my co-worker runs a 986 and he claims the 986 is much more efficient. I will say the 4240 really sucks the fuel down, no matter what you are doing. I am considering switching as I can get a decent price for the 4240. TIA




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Lee in Iowa

12-26-2007 09:31:49




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to tf, 12-25-2007 21:10:44  
Never been around either one, but 6620 JD combine with the same engine as a 4440 burned twice as much fuel as a 550 massey with both combining the same acres. A 1086 or 4440 should be better than 986 or 4240 under the same load because the bigger tractors are turbo. Maybe Allan can tell us how his 966 and 1066 compare if he runs that 10 enough. Lee



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ChrisAS

12-26-2007 09:04:18




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to tf, 12-25-2007 21:10:44  
Some of the 86's had the B series engine, I 1979 and later. There were better on fuel. A 1086 I know of would not burn 7.5 gallon an hour at 145Hp full load all day maybe 2 on round baler. So makes difference which engine you have.



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Allan In NE

12-26-2007 03:50:19




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to tf, 12-25-2007 21:10:44  
Lots bigger/newer tractor I know, but a few years ago, I borrowed my neighbor's Deere 7800 4X4.

Absolutely made my old 966 look like a drunken sailor as far as fuel consumption goes. I worked the snot out of that thing and it just "sipped" the diesel fuel.

I even called him and asked if the darned fuel guage worked 'cause it sure wasn't moving. :>)

Made a believer out of me. However, $50K for a twenty year old tractor is totally out of bounds. :>(

Allan

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georgeky

12-26-2007 04:02:01




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to Allan In NE, 12-26-2007 03:50:19  
Allan, a friend of mine has a 7400 that I used a bit, and it did seem quite a bit easier on fuel than the 40 series tractors I had. None of those were as hard on fuel as that 2440 and 2555. Took two tanks a day to cut hay on the 2555 with a Vicon disc mower. Still had to quit before dark or carry a can or two with me. Other than that ir was a plum good tractor.



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Allan In NE

12-26-2007 04:17:31




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to georgeky, 12-26-2007 04:02:01  
I still like my old red tractors tho. Darned cheap horsepower if ya ask me.

'Course, I only farm 320 acres and really don't need a "high-powered" tractor.

Darned 1066 just usually ends up sitting 'cause it's just too darned big for most jobs around here.

Think I only used it once last year and that's just not healthy for a tractor. Doubt if I put 20 hours on the silly thing all year long. :>(

Allan

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georgeky

12-26-2007 07:05:10




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to Allan In NE, 12-26-2007 04:17:31  
Thats the way of mine. I didn't use any of the larger ones enough to keep them. After silage cutting played out here I sold the 29 and 4440. Only used the 4440 to pull the chopper with. Only had a bit over 2500 hours when I sold it. Now my 666 is my big tractor. Don't need a big one for what I do.



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Dairy Farmer in WI

12-26-2007 17:43:42




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to georgeky, 12-26-2007 07:05:10  
yeah i hear you there. The case 970 and the 4020 just sat in the shed waiting for fall chopping. but this past spring i worked the snot outta the case on the disc and i chopped for a guy with real real good corn which also worked the snot outta both in granny gear, otherwise they really don"t get used much my mains are the 4010 and a farmitall M and H for pulling feederwagons and hauling manure
just my 2 cents
DF in WI

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georgeky

12-26-2007 19:35:28




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to Dairy Farmer in WI, 12-26-2007 17:43:42  
I still chop enough to fill one silo for my cows, but use an old one row chopper now. Sold all the new outfit the same year I sold the 4440. The tractor went out of county but that JD 2 row chopper is still right down the road about two miles and chops every year. I had a 830 Case years ago, wish I had it back. Do lots of work here with the M's and C/SC Just feel better sitting on them. Fairly quite, above the heat and just enjoying life. Pull that old NH chopper with the M sometimes.

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Allan In NE

12-26-2007 07:39:32




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to georgeky, 12-26-2007 07:05:10  
Yep, for sure. Maybe I should sell that darned 1066. :>(

Guess the 966 is my "main" tractor. Did all of my own field work, the hay baling and ran across 180 acres of the neighbor's ground to boot.

Might ought to change the oil on this one next spring. Darned thing probably got a 100 hours or so on it last year. :>(

Allan

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RickB

12-26-2007 03:01:17




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 Nebraska tests in reply to tf, 12-25-2007 21:10:44  
list the 4240 at 14.33 hp-hrs/gallon and the 986 at 14.74 hp-hrs/gal. Gives the slightest edge to the IH. I made a significant improvement to my 4240 years ago by extending the air intake above the hood. I always accused it of burning fuel while parked in the shed.



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Andy Martin

12-26-2007 05:41:45




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 Re: Nebraska tests in reply to RickB, 12-26-2007 03:01:17  
OK, here's my take on fuel economy. All I do is hay a little, and feed cattle, and I run M Farmalls.

Nebraska Test 328 in 1939 reported 12.16 hp-hr/gal for the M. I used about $2,065 in fuel in 2007. At an average price of $2.79/gal this is 740 gal. I keep my tractors tuned up, so if I use the 12.16 hp-hr/gal I would have used about 9,000 hp-hr. If I had a good newer tractor getting 14.74 hp-hr/gal I would have saved 129.5 gal for the year, but might have only saved $155 in fuel due to the higher price of diesel.

Now if I buy me a new John Deere, I can expect to get up to 16 hp-hr/gal, and my annual fuel savings would zoom to $300. Maybe not enough to make one payment, but I'd still feel better about saving fuel.

One point about farming with an M or H. To save fuel you need to keep the main jet screw turned in to avoid black smoke at full load. You can turn the screw in when doing light work, and you will hear the engine miss when you need more fuel. Running a square baler is light work, so is brush hogging and sickle mowing, my Vermeer 4x5 baler takes a little more fuel, but plowing with 3 14's and pulling a full NH bale wagon down the highway takes the greatest screw setting.

I heard folks say an M sucks 55 gal a day but mine won't take that much.

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georgeky

12-26-2007 08:27:12




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 Re: Nebraska tests in reply to Andy Martin, 12-26-2007 05:41:45  
I heard that crap too when I was a young boy. Folks would talk of running 60 gallons through an M. After using 3 or 4 different ones for the last 30+ years I have determined that none of those folks were ever on an M. I have ran 35 gallon through mine pulling 3 X 14 inch plows from daylight until after dark, but that is a long way from 55 or 60. The 2940 diesel I had would burn 35 to 40 gallons pulling 3 X 16's. The 666 runs a day and half on 35 gallons pulling the same plow at same speed.

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plowboy 14505

12-27-2007 18:12:08




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 Re: Nebraska tests in reply to georgeky, 12-26-2007 08:27:12  
yah if u went thru 35, 40 gal of fuel in a day plowing with an M you would definatley sleep well that night LOL



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gene bender

12-27-2007 10:33:30




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 Re: Nebraska tests in reply to georgeky, 12-26-2007 08:27:12  
You hit it rite as i found out it would be hard to get 40 gal a day on 3-14s. I would guess more than 12hrs a day.



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Andy Martin

12-26-2007 14:52:41




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 Re: Nebraska tests in reply to georgeky, 12-26-2007 08:27:12  
I suppose the M fuel usage thing was started by tractor salesmen.

I have somehow managed to get by with SM's and M's (of course most have SM innards) quite nicely. It takes me longer to plow and disk but I never did that much anyway, and haying is not a problem except I've never stepped "up" to a disc mower. When I get to wanting to mow in the wet I may have ot get one.

I'm putting a 450D together so we'll see how it does on the round baler. It may go to market with the little piggy if it doesn't do well.

If the SMDTA ever gets fixed it may just loaf around home to avoid getting hit on the highway.

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Bill in IL

12-26-2007 06:33:04




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 Re: Nebraska tests in reply to Andy Martin, 12-26-2007 05:41:45  
I had once ruined a good chevy 350 by running it too lean. I had fuel injection and had it running somewhat lean not enough to cause a miss but preignition destroyed it. Will this not happen with an old farmall? I know compression in my 350 was about 10:1 (yes it was not stock). Old tractors run in the 7:1 range so is that the reason you can get away with running it lean and not destroying it?

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Andy Martin

12-26-2007 07:04:26




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 Re: Nebraska tests in reply to Bill in IL, 12-26-2007 06:33:04  
I had a friend ruin two good 327's by moving the same warped intake from one to the other. Burned up the same two pistons and cylinders in both.

I've had intake leaks on Farmalls with no adverse effects, and have never had a problem adjusting the main fuel screw.

Not only low compression, but also 1,500 rpm.



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Hugh MacKay

12-26-2007 02:41:54




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to tf, 12-25-2007 21:10:44  
tf: I wouldn't give great marks to either one of them. Once Deere got into 40 and 50 series and IH into 66 and 86 series, they both forgot what fuel efficiency was all about.

Back in the days of Deere 20 and 30 series, IH 06 and 56 series they were all very good. I was using IH and Deere in those days, had a neighbor that was all Deere, we both experienced the same. My 1066 burnt 5 times the fuel of my 560 or 656, however it wasn't 5 times the horse power.

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Jack a

12-26-2007 02:54:58




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-26-2007 02:41:54  
Not to pick on Deere but I never have considered the 20 and 30 series to fuel efficient at all. But then I like my 190XT that seem to run on air.



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georgeky

12-25-2007 22:51:19




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 Re: IH 986 vs 4240 fuel consumption in reply to tf, 12-25-2007 21:10:44  
I have used IH and JD tractors of various sizes, and all IH 's I have used have been quite a bit easier on fuel. Don't know how the newer ones are. I had a 2440 & 2555(4cyl) that burned a lot more than my IH 666(6 cyl). The 2940 and 4440 both used more than the dads IH tractors of the same size. They are both great tractors but do like fuel in comparison. Never used a 4240, so I can't speak of it.

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