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Pat-CT

12-16-2007 14:56:17




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someonein the tractor chat mentioned the cubs ability to push snow i have a garden tractor and snowblower i use now but the tractor would not plow 6 inches of sleet i had to use the snowblower to cut threw the first 2 inches becusae it wouldnt dig to he bottom of the sleet and then use the tractor to do the remining work hten multiply this time 3 neighbors then do this with the street beucase the snowplow plowed 4 feet from the curb and the mailman wont drip off mail :( so now im looking for a tractor to buy in the spring for next winter.... again are cubs really that good at moving the snow or will they spin out and lack power even thought they have weights and chains....ps my garden tractor has 400 pounds of weight on it and still spins out >:((((((((((((((

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mwilke

12-18-2007 15:51:31




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
I was pleasantly surprisred at the cub"s abilty to push snow. Last year we had a bout 5 inchees of snow over night. I got on the cub and it worked way beyond expectations. I like it because it does not do as much damge to the driveway as a heavier machine.

Of course bigger tractors will do more work than the cub. The point is that for a small and light weight tractor, it dose a fine job. I have a C50 50 HP tractor and think it works great. But I can't expect the cub to do what the other tractor will do.

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jk

12-17-2007 13:32:57




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
i have a cub i used for pushing snow. i have a set of rear wheel weight, and 100lbs i hang on the back, and a snow extention on the front. it does exelent untill the drifts get waist high, or sleet gets mixed in. then i get out my 2404 with a 6.5 foot snowplow, 1000lbs of weight, and have a good ol' time. both have tires chains also i should metion.



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Nat 2

12-17-2007 12:29:37




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Rob Baird, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
Nobody here is arguing that an Super A will outpush a Cub. Come on, there's no contest there.

I don't know where Hugh gets this idea that Cub engines run 2000+ RPM. All but the latest "number series" LoBoys (the ones that look like giant Cub Cadets) run at around 1600 RPM.

Different strokes for different folks, here. If you get enough snow, a Super A may not even be enough. You might want an M with a loader so you can scoop and pile the snow 10' high or more. If you've got miles and miles of driveway, you might want something bigger.

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AlexLV

12-17-2007 08:09:59




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
Now looky here guys - I have a 1950 Cub. My driveway is a MILE long and it does JUST fine - and I have a few steep hills to contend with. I was using the Cub in this last snowfall we had here in MO (about 6 inches) and it did very well. And last winter, we had about 8 inches and it did just fine then. Yesterday while plowing snow, I was pushing a pile that was about to spill over the top of the blade and it wasn't spinning at all.

The only weight I have on it is 1 rear wheel weight per rear wheel.

The Cub isn't as incapable as some of your seem to think it is.

Alex

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the tractor vet

12-17-2007 07:34:00




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
Back when i was a teenager i bought a 58 cub with ALL the equipment plus a neat home built tilt trailer IT also came with a heat houser chains and extra wheel weights , tires loaded with cal. We use to get REAL snow storms back then not these little 3-4 inchers that was just a dusting . I made good money back then plowing drives at 4-8 dollars a pop . In 63 and 64 we got hammered with up to over 3 feet of snow at a time each year and the little cubby had to earn her wages but she did a fine job as for me i thought that i had a D9 Cat and i had a couple drives that were over a 100 feet long . As far as i was concerned it beat the heck out of a shovel. Now it would have been super if it would have just had power angel .

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scotty

12-17-2007 05:30:50




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
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Mornin Pat, I used my 49 Super A yesterday to plow about 4 or 5" of sleet. I have about 400 lbs on the drawbar plus rear weights and chains and it pushed right through that stuff in second gear just above idle no problem ! I think weight is the key IMO !

scotty

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Hugh MacKay

12-17-2007 02:24:52




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
Pat: I've never plowed snow with a Cub, however I can tell you a Super A, 100, 130 or 140 are about 5 times the tractor a Cub is on most work. We had a Cub for 8 years when new, and traded it for a 130. Cub will come in slightly over 1,500# and the others around 2,400# shipping weight. The SA, 100, 130 or 140 are very little longer or wider, thus are just as manuverable in close working quarters.

While the Cub is a nice little tractor, it's built quite different from all the larger Farmalls. Bear in mind ours was bought new, yet was always a pain in the butt on carburation and ignition. The little 60 cubic inch engine turns well over 2,000 rpm to come up with 10-12 hp, that in itself almost doubles engine wear over the others. 1st and 2nd gear are too slow for most work, yet it has little more than enough power in 3rd to move itself.

Our driveway at home was quite a steep pitch, and one had to do everything just right to make that grade in high gear with the Cub. 130 would climb that hill very little off idle in high gear. Last but not least those Cub engines don't have sleeves, by now they have to be near the end of their rebuild life. My recomendation, I you want a show tractor for little use, buy the Cub. The others are useful, and every bit as sharp at shows.

I realize this may insult some Cub owners, however I speak from experience.

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TheDurk

12-16-2007 21:06:17




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Gary in Mozarks, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
We had to upgrade from a cub to a 140. Cub was pretty much useless uphill and we have hill. With chains, rear weights and fluid, wheels would just spin uselessly. 140 with fluid, chains (no weights) and a 6-foot Meyer works great. Failed only twice, in 1977 and 1996 since we got her in 1966. First one needed a D-6 and the other a PayLoader. Used the 140 today on three inches of ice slush without the chains.

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BOBM25

12-16-2007 18:09:43




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
A four wheel drive utility style ATV will push alot of snow. I have a 500cc polaris with a 52 in homemade blade. I strap 300 lbs to the back rack and its pretty much unstoppable. If you are easy on the throttle it won't spin out in the yard with 4wd on. Plus you can get some speed going in long runs and reverse. I'm amazed at what it will do. Pound for pound better (and more manuveravle) than a 4x4 pickup truck, i think.

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Pat-CT

12-16-2007 17:28:26




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
Maple Springs Farm im not sure what happend to the B it was relised for sevral months sorry



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Maple Springs Farm

12-16-2007 17:16:14




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
Pat-CT--A few days ago, in another thread, you mentioned someone in CT who had a B he couldn"t sell. Do you know if it is still available?

Thanks.

Mark



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dave guest

12-16-2007 17:10:08




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
Used my A today on 6inches snow. Nochains. Weights, yes. Only weak link is mechanical lift,UGH! Also have cub. Always need chains. Power not a problem for 100 plus foot drive. Problem with either is where to put that snow. Side of road is working, but someday they will get me. If you use cub, make sure it starts good in really cold weather.



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JT

12-16-2007 16:50:57




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
you all can laugh, but I have a 1450 Cub Cadet with a70" blade, with duals, 23-10.50x12 ag tires, no chains, no weight, except the weight(ME) in the seat (350#) and that is one pushing little tractor and a hydro drive it is really mnauverable, but COLD to use. Chains would probably help, but so far so good, but we don't get much snow here, so it is all I need.



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Dave_Id

12-16-2007 16:46:06




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
Poooleeeze!!!. A Cub for moving snow... Unless you live in San Antonio, a Cub can't do anything for you. When I used to live up in the Idaho panhandle, one year we had 10 feet of snow one winter. My driveway was over a 1/4 mile long, plus the plowing around the buildings. I used a four wheel drive MF 253 diesel. Snow chains, and fluid in the rear tires, 7ft blade.. Now that puppy could move some snow.

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mkirsch

12-16-2007 16:37:49




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to rwp, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
One other plus, factory front blades are much more common for Cubs. You'll see half a dozen Cub blades on eBay at any given time, but rarely do you ever see a front blade for anything bigger.

Someone said a Cub was a bad choice because of the horsepower. Horsepower isn't the only factor. Weight, tires, and speed are more important, and compared to a riding mower, a Cub has those in spades.

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Pat-CT

12-16-2007 16:10:52




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
thanks guys..im kinda pushing away from the A becuase my uncle that im close to has an A and i really dont want to copy him so i want ither like a c or a cub but my H i swayy to big for plowing so i think i wanted the cub easy to store and i think would be a good size for my double wide 75 foot drive and my neigbors driveway



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lloyd in CT

12-16-2007 15:54:29




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
We have plowed with a cub for too many years and say what you will its a great snowplowing unit. It may have some short comings but it does a nice clean job . I still look forward to getting the chains on,the plow, some gas and off we go.

I must admit it is much warmer in the heated cab of the jeep for the first run through..... ..... .

Lloyd in CT !



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Andrew Z

12-16-2007 15:29:15




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
I wrote this a few weeks ago.....

Living just south of you in CT. I have a drive thats 150 feet by 100 feet at the top parking area (dirt) I have tried many of our tractors plowing snow, from a Cub Cadet, Allis B, Cub, Super C, and H. I useed the H for many years with a big heavy 7 1/2' fisher blade. I could do the plowing no matter what in like 15 mins if i pushed in. However you miss alot and do a far amount of damage to the lawn and what ever else is in the way. The Super C is i think the best tractor to plow with great traction and power. However this was still to big for most of the areas that i had to get into i have a lot of turns and bends. So now i use the cub, great on gas, and you can do real delicate work and not destroy your lawn etc. However like other peopel said you need weight on them i have a set of weights in the front and 2 sets in the back to give something like 550lbs of ballast, and a set of big 3/8" chian on her. It will plow anything that you put in front of it now . There great to plow snow with but need a fair amout of traction aid. Like anything there are pros and cons to them. For me i woould go back to using the larger taractor to plow whit unless i got a nice straight, flat, even drive way lol.

2nd post.....

Yes a Super A, 100, 130, 140 would be great. I have an A but have never used that one plow with. But i agree with you there Super A is a fine machine to use. Still will need two sets of rear weights on it and chain. But the little larger blade and more horse are always nice to have :) P.S. I really do like plowing with an offset. the other side can be hard to see but just put a marker on it so ya know where the end is. But the visablity you gain the right side is great and you sure can get into alot of spots that you would only be able to to with a tractor of that nature. I would personaly go with a A Super A, 100, 130, 140 then a Cub is a strong second though they are more tractor than most peeople think they are. I once thought they were a toy, but after running one you find for what they are they have some get up and go to them. P.S. They all have there purpose and
funciton and when used to what they were designed to they work awasome. but once and awhile you here people give the cub negative reviews when they say O' man i couldnt get though that 4 foot high grass with my finish mower on my cub lol haha.

Andrew

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Hugh MacKay

12-16-2007 17:42:55




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Andrew Z, 12-16-2007 15:29:15  
Andrew: I quite regularly plow snow with my 130, 72" angle blade 20" high. I never use wheel weights or chloride. I have chains. I just plowed my yard today, 20" to 24" of snow over most of it, and I was pushing that snow close to 30'. If and when the going gets tough I do pick up one of my fast hitch implements for a counter weight. I find a counter weight much more effective than wheel weights, however I rarely need it. It would take 1,000# of wheel weight to equal 400# of cultivator out behind.

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Gauger

12-16-2007 15:20:10




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
I grew up plowing snow with a Cub Lo-Boy. Before I was allowed to drive it by myself my sister and I were the "weights". With the chains on it was a real workout for the kidneys. We had 300 ft. of driveway and it did the job although an A would do better. The Cub fits in the shed a lot better though.



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Janicholson

12-16-2007 15:05:13




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 Re: Cubs as snow machines in reply to Pat-CT, 12-16-2007 14:56:17  
A cub maxes out at about 12 hp. They are not my choice. I believe SAs 100 120 130 140 Etc. are better, more power more wt. and better size. They have hydraulics and get the job done. JimN



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