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1940 H ... regulator or cutout?

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sgtbull

12-15-2007 08:30:57




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I"ve restored a 1940 H and was wondering if anyone knew if it should have a regulator or a simple cutout? I use the tractor mostly for a few parades and hayrides a year, and don"t work it enough to overcharge it. It does have the 4 position switch to regulate the charge somewhat. Opinions?




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Andy Motteberg

12-15-2007 13:02:45




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 Re: 1940 H ... regulator or cutout? in reply to sgtbull, 12-15-2007 08:30:57  
A cut out was used on it originally, but you can put on a regulator.



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JayIHMan

12-15-2007 12:06:05




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 Re: 1940 H ... regulator or cutout? in reply to sgtbull, 12-15-2007 08:30:57  
All the advice I read is correct, what I have done on these old original systems and will save alot of problems is I install a clean ground wire directly to light switch to ground on battery cable end. I have seen people ground the light switch box by bending a piece of solder between cover and box. New tractors(CaseIH) use clean grounds is where I got the idea.On my farmalls I have done this to all of them and have trouble free charging on cutout charing systems.

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gene bender

12-15-2007 13:09:28




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 Re: 1940 H ... regulator or cutout? in reply to JayIHMan, 12-15-2007 12:06:05  
That important for the cover to have a good ground cause thats where the 4 pos sw gets its ground to make the system work.



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karl f

12-15-2007 11:10:10




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 Re: 1940 H ... regulator or cutout? in reply to sgtbull, 12-15-2007 08:30:57  
40 was a cutout with the switch. my 45 is also a cutout with a switch, and is the most reliable charging system as far as tractors with generators go on our farm. still has 90% of the orignal wires from the factory on it too.

karl f



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John T

12-15-2007 11:01:18




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 Re: 1940 H ... regulator or cutout? in reply to sgtbull, 12-15-2007 08:30:57  
I dont see any urgent need to change from a relay to a VR, especially if it already has a good working LHBD switch. Besides, if the genny is bad itself, a new regulator or cut out isnt gonna fix it.

Right after start up if the switch is on HIGH charge Id expect it to charge at least 10 amps n over for some minutes or even on LOW charge a few amps or so.

Heres what to try to test the LHBD and circuitry and the genny.....

Take a jumper and when shes running dead ground the gennys FLD post and she ought to high charge cuz thats the max (if its working) genny output. If it charges then but NOT otherwise, the problem is EITHER the switch isnt well grounded (check that) ,,,,, ,,,or the wires bad/open from the gennys FLD post up to the switch.

If it dont charge a lick even with a dead grounded field, theres still a chance the genny is okay (assuming its grounded okay, check that !!!!) and the cutout relay isnt working or not grounded (check that also) so by pass jump around the relay by momentarily hooking its BAT and GEN/ARM terminal together n see if she charges then????? if so but NOT otherwise the relay is bad

With the gennys field grounded n the relay by passed if she still dont charge n the genny is grounded, then its likely a bad gennyyyyy yy unless its a bad batetry or a wiring problem.

PS even if the LHBD switch had a bad field resistor that ONLY affects the Low charge but she ought to still charge fine in the HIGH setting if all else is okay n its grounded. If the resisitor were bad/open then it wouldnt charge a lick in the LOW setting.

Start by insuring BOTH the genny n relay have good grounds then run the field and relay tests above and look for a bad switch ground (if the genny tests okay per the above) cuz a bad switch ground can maker her fail to charge in EITHER High or Low

Get it????? ????? / Let us knowwwww w

John T

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MarkOhio

12-15-2007 08:39:02




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 Re: 1940 H ... regulator or cutout? in reply to sgtbull, 12-15-2007 08:30:57  
Origionally it would have had just a simple cut-out with the 4 position light switch. Not to say that someone hasn't changed it to a regulator system over the last 67 years. Does the generator charge rate vary from about 1-3 amps on "L' to 10-14 amps on "H"?



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sgtbull

12-15-2007 08:43:00




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 Re: 1940 H ... regulator or cutout? in reply to MarkOhio, 12-15-2007 08:39:02  
well, I walked over and started it, and no, it doesn't... it may be a bad resistor in the switch though.



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MarkOhio

12-15-2007 09:03:47




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 Re: 1940 H ... regulator or cutout? in reply to sgtbull, 12-15-2007 08:43:00  
OK, we're getting closer then. Does the charge rate stay constant no mater how long you run it (cut-out) or does it start out high and then taper off as the battery becomes fully charged. If it stays constant what is the charging rate? I'm currently having a minor problem with my '49 H in that it does still have the cut-out system but I can't vary it from high to low. But with some previous help from BobM and others I know where to look. When the generator field windings are connected directly to ground the generator puts out full charge and is limited by the position of the third brush. Low charge is run through a resistor in the light switch box and SHOULD limit the charge rate to about 1-3 amps. My resistor and all wiring is good but suspect a shorted field terminal on the generator. Haven't had time to check it though.

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