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Farmall super a 123????

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CMG

12-06-2007 17:54:14




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All casting numbers end with the letter T. Therefore, i think I have a 1950 model. However, the motor is a 123 with casting numbers that end with T on the block and head. Does anyone know the earliest model a 123 was offered




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Hugh MacKay

12-07-2007 03:23:32




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to CMG, 12-06-2007 17:54:14  
CMG: From the factory the first block to receive C-123 status was block part number 354898 R1. It was used in all Super C and Super A after serial number 310300, however the Super A remained C-113 with thicker sleeves, keeping the bore at 3". One point, that block part number may have changed from R1 to R2 before end of SA and SC production. The Super A was changed to C-123 with water pump added at serial number 356001, in mid 1954, and those last 1,957 were refered to as Super A1 or IA1.

How do you know your engine is C-123? It was not cast on exterior of any blocks prior to 1951. C-123 was never cast on Super A blocks, not certain about Super C, however I doubt it as IH were using the same casting for C-113 and C-123 from 51 until 54. I'm almost certain, if you had an engine with C-123 cast on outside of block, you have a 100, 200, or later engine.

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georgeky

12-07-2007 09:27:44




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-07-2007 03:23:32  
Hugh, the C-123 was not cast on any SC blocks. That is why I ask how did he know it was a C-123. I am guessing that he measured the sleeves, and they were 3 and 1/8, so he may have just assumed it is a 123 block. Most of the old ones have had the overbore sleeves and pistons put in them over the years. If the block has the T casting code, it will be a C-113 block as that is 1950. My 52 and 53 SC 's do not have C-123 on either block. So you are right. If his block has the C-123 it would be from 100,200 and later.

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Hugh MacKay

12-07-2007 12:53:27




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to georgeky, 12-07-2007 09:27:44  
George: Thank you for the information on Super C blocks. I was quite certain C-123 was not cast on the side, even though it was a C-123 engine. IH were using the same block casting for both C-113 and C-123, thus it would be rather pointless to try and have that info different on the two engines.



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AlexLV

12-06-2007 20:36:10




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to CMG, 12-06-2007 17:54:14  
There were a few Super A's fitted with the Super C (123 c.i.) engine - they were called Super A-1's

Alex



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georgeky

12-06-2007 21:27:58




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to AlexLV, 12-06-2007 20:36:10  
Not in 1950.



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georgeky

12-06-2007 19:17:51




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to CMG, 12-06-2007 17:54:14  
1950 should be a 113. How do know it is a 123?



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CMG

12-07-2007 13:08:35




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to georgeky, 12-06-2007 19:17:51  
The number 366204R1 is casted on the engine block C123 is also casted right above the firing order behind the throttle rod.



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Hugh MacKay

12-07-2007 18:21:29




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to CMG, 12-07-2007 13:08:35  
CMG: Stan is correct, you have a 130 or 230 engine.



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Stan(VA).

12-07-2007 14:47:57




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to CMG, 12-07-2007 13:08:35  
The 366204 is a replacement block (from either a dealer or salvage yard) that is from the 130/230 era. It did have the C-123 ID cast on the block and has the smaller sleeve opening of the C-113 with thin sleeves installed at the factory. The original C/early Super A block is 251069 and the Super C/late Super A block is 354898. I believe the 354898R3 block of the 100/200 era is the first to have the C-123 casting ID.
Stan(VA).

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CMG

12-07-2007 19:51:40




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to Stan(VA)., 12-07-2007 14:47:57  
Thanks for your help guys. I really appreciate it. Would this be why there is no number on the rectangle tag located by the head?



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Stan(VA).

12-08-2007 18:56:22




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 Re: Farmall super a 123???? in reply to CMG, 12-07-2007 19:51:40  
If you're saying there is no engine serial number on the machined flat under the number 1 spark plug, that would say this was a replacement block ordered from a dealer. I believe they came blank and the dealer was supposed to stamp it to match the engine number it was replacing, but it didn't allways happen.
Stan(VA).



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