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1938 F-20 road gears

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Scott Rukke

12-05-2007 07:40:25




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Is it possible to tell if an F-20 has road gears by looking at it? I was told mine does when I bought it but it was non running and is apart now. If it is does anyone have a picture? Thanks




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LenNH

12-06-2007 11:26:52




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 Re: 1938 F-20 road gears in reply to Scott Rukke, 12-05-2007 07:40:25  
As to the pin to lock out the road gear, I can't speak for the F-20. Almost certainly, IH sold tractors with factory-installed road gear ONLY on rubber tires. These became available pretty commonly after about 1936 (first, the round-spoked wheels, then about 1938 with those beautiful cast-iron wheels). I do know that there is a lockout "pin" on the H and M. During WW II, the use of rubber tires on tractors was restricted, and IH simply put a long bolt through the top of the transmission case of the H and M to keep the 4th-5th gear rail from sliding forward into 5th gear. A tractor that came that way could be "converted" to a 5-speed transmission in about 2 minutes by turning the bolt out far enough to let the rail move forward.
I am pretty sure that tractors that came from the factory with 5 speeds just had a short bolt into the transmission at this point. Naturally, if somebody wanted to lock the tractor out of fifth gear, he could put a longer bolt through this hole. My father probably should have done this with me. I sure did like to roar up and down the roads on our H. But maybe by then I was a mature-enough teenager not to upset the thing on sharp corners in the road.

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rwp

12-05-2007 19:30:10




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 Re: 1938 F-20 road gears in reply to Scott Rukke, 12-05-2007 07:40:25  
Scott: I remember reading an article that they had a pin installed so that you could not put them in road gear if you had non-rubber. Just a thought - you may want to check to see if a pin was installed if your tractor had steel rims.



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James Williams

12-05-2007 19:13:28




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 Re: 1938 F-20 road gears in reply to Scott Rukke, 12-05-2007 07:40:25  
Scott,There is a pair of Skelton wheels that will fit a Regular or f20 in the Photo adds under community on the left of this page,Email me if you get this email

jimmy



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LenNH

12-05-2007 16:45:55




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 Re: 1938 F-20 road gears in reply to Scott Rukke, 12-05-2007 07:40:25  
As to wifely problems, I sometimes get the "what would you want that for?" question about stuff I have that doesn't mean anything to anyone else, like the old tractor brochures I picked up at dealers' places when I was growing up in the 40s. I love 'em, but I don't expect anybody else to. I just tell her, "Well, we could just as well eat off paper plates and drink out of jelly glasses as use those nice china plates and wine glasses with the gold rims, right?" Usually ends the discussion, although I don't expect she'd ever understand what I see in all that stuff about those rusty, greasy old machines. But then I don't get excited about dishes, pillows for the couch, quilts, and things like that. The Romans had a saying for that--"there's no accounting for taste." Of course, they didn't say it in English, as far as I know. Got me a tractor last summer, 'cause there's a field we cut a coupla times every summer, and now we're both happy because we don't have to pay somebody else to do it. Of course, the tractor cost enough to have somebody to cut the field for 10 years, but we won't talk about that. She can see
me out there playing farmer, and that makes her happy. As to a set of steel wheels, well, I don't think you'll want to use them on the lawn, but you can always point out the greatly increased value of an antique tractor that has those now-rare original wheels.

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Andy Motteberg

12-05-2007 15:14:42




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 Re: 1938 F-20 road gears in reply to Scott Rukke, 12-05-2007 07:40:25  
Are you talking about the transmission gears or the over drive unit?



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Scott Rukke

12-05-2007 15:22:23




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 Re: 1938 F-20 road gears in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-05-2007 15:14:42  
I was talking about factory road gears and whether there was any visual indication they were installed. The previous emails answered my question. I checked the stamped shift pattern and they were right. Thanks to everyone.



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Andy Motteberg

12-05-2007 15:34:13




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 Re: 1938 F-20 road gears in reply to Scott Rukke, 12-05-2007 15:22:23  
I saw your F-20 photos before on here. I'm going to pickup a 1938 F-20 in the Spring to restore, it is running, but might need a little work. I believe you have bought parts on eBay from my Dad, I saw your name on the shipping labels. My Dad is rustymccormick on eBay. Good luck with your F-20!

Andy.



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Scott Rukke

12-05-2007 16:05:48




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 Re: 1938 F-20 road gears in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-05-2007 15:34:13  
Bought several parts from him. I have a complete tractor but sometimes its easier to just buy a fairly unrusted part and not have to spend so much time on the body work. I have just started reassembling the engine. Total disassembly, everything mic'd new rings, cylinders honed, head re-done, new carb, manifold, gaskets and seals. It's actually been a lot of fun. The wife doesn't understand what I see in the rust bucket. And she really doesn't understand spending $$$ on front and rear steel wheels. Caught hell for that one.

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LenNH

12-05-2007 09:55:07




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 Re: 1938 F-20 road gears in reply to Scott Rukke, 12-05-2007 07:40:25  
F-Dean has it right on the shifting patterns for the factory-installed gears. There were aftermarket road gears available, too. I think they are recognizable because they may have an extra gearbox behind the clutch, or possibly there is a shift lever that comes out the side of the transmission. No personal experience with them, but somebody out there in Farmall Country probably has a lot of information on them. One make is "Heisler," and if you read through this forum, you will meet discussions of this. In fact, you might search through the forum and actually light right onto one of these discussions, which can lead you to contacting the knowledgeable people who wrote in the first place. Hope this is a little help.
Somewhere (you know what that means), I have some old catalogs from the 40s, and I'll see what I can dig up on aftermarket overdrives and road gears.

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F-Dean

12-05-2007 08:58:01




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 Re: 1938 F-20 road gears in reply to Scott Rukke, 12-05-2007 07:40:25  
Factory road gear in a F-20 has a different shifting pattern. Back is 1-3-2 and forward is R--4. The standard non-road gear pattern is back is 1-4-2 and forward is R--3. This pattern is stamped in the metal around the shifting lever.



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