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Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem

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Andy Motteberg

12-04-2007 14:50:54




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Hi,

I thought I'd show you guys the part I made for my Farmall H.
My Farmall H has always had a problem in the winter that the top of the carburetor
would get ice building up on it and the tractor ran very bad. My H always starts fast and runs
excellent, but when the carburetor ices up from the cold air being sucked into the carburetor,
it totally messes up the way it runs. I once asked a tractor man why my H had this problem,
and he said my air cleaner was probably plugged. I cleaned it, and it still had the problem.
Here is what I did. I took a heater pipe and cut a hole in the side of it. I put a rubber hose in the hole
and made sure it fit in tight, then I put some duct tape around it to seal it up. I removed the air cleaner top and put the end of the hose into the air cleaner pipe. Now, the tractor takes in hot air from the heat of the outside of the muffler. Now the tractor does not have the ice up problem and it runs excellent in the cold too! I thought I'd show you this just in case your tractor has this problem. This part is easy to make and makes a huge difference!

Andy.

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neblinc

12-06-2007 05:41:17




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-04-2007 14:50:54  
Here ya go Jay

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Bill in IL

12-05-2007 05:10:15




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-04-2007 14:50:54  
We had this problem with a 560 when I was a kid. Used to put a small piece of tin (2'X2') wedged between the frame and block to keep the carburetor warmer worked like a champ but due to that problem the tractor sat most of the winter. Is a 560 also suppose to have the holes in the exhaust manifold for warming?



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Owen Aaland

12-05-2007 15:14:48




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to Bill in IL, 12-05-2007 05:10:15  
No holes in the 560 manifold. They have a heat riser valve instead. Make sure the valve moves freely and the thermal spring is in good condition.



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Owen Aaland

12-05-2007 03:36:06




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-04-2007 14:50:54  
The problem occurs at temperatures near the freezing point. Ice on the outside does not cause any problems. Ice buildup on the inside is what causes the engine to stumble as it blocks the proper air/fuel flow. The problem occurs because the venturi creates a drop in air pressure in the carb throat. This drop in pressure creates a refrigeration effect cooling the air enough for ice to form. The problem is worst when the tractor is used under light loads. If the problem is bad enough it can cause the throttle to freeze open allowing the engine to over speed when the load is decreased.

The factory solution to the problem is to have two small holes in the bottom front corners of the exhaust manifold to blow some exhaust down in front of the carb. The air front the radiator fan then blows this hot exhaust past the outside of the carb. If you will look closely at the the manifold I sure you will find these holes are plugged. Cleaning them out almost always cures the icing problems.

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Bob Kerr

12-04-2007 20:51:35




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-04-2007 14:50:54  
I forgot to mention, my H doesn"t seem to Ice up too bad on the outside, but my M sure does!



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Bob Kerr

12-04-2007 20:50:09




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-04-2007 14:50:54  
Good job Andy. The idea, like JIH Man says is old very old! My Dads 1921 Chevy has a tube that runs from a heat stove on the exhaust pipe to the carb inlet as does my 1924 Oldsmobile. It was a common practice back then till carbs and manifolds were designed better. My H has been starting ok in the cold, but sure sputters a lot until it warms up good. I have to use about half choke when cold also after it starts for about a minute. I am still cutting wood and will be until the mud or snow gets deep so the H is still in use for now till I get it back home.

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JayIHMan

12-04-2007 20:21:46




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-04-2007 14:50:54  
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Very good idea...but a old one...had this on my H for 25 years and it works well



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JayIHMan

12-05-2007 17:10:19




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to JayIHMan, 12-04-2007 20:21:46  
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Sorry to reply twice but I figured out how to post photo I think...this is my version of hot air induction I made years ago on '50 model loader H



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AlexLV

12-04-2007 15:31:38




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-04-2007 14:50:54  
I noticed my Cub was having that problem today when I was running it. It didn't seem to affect the way it ran, though.

Great idea!

Alex



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old

12-04-2007 15:10:07




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-04-2007 14:50:54  
Would you believe thats a problem with almost all tractors when its cold and or wet out. Its just part of life and after 10-15 minutes clears up on its own. But yes doing things like that can help but why when if all is right it will do it on its own if worked



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Andy Motteberg

12-04-2007 15:17:25




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to old, 12-04-2007 15:10:07  
My Dad's Super MTA gets a little ice on the carburetor, but does not effect the way it runs at all. My H has always had this problem no matter how long it runs, it just gets worse the longer it runs.

Andy.



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old

12-04-2007 16:35:49




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 Re: Farmall H Carburetor ice up problem in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-04-2007 15:17:25  
Ya I know how that goes. Some times adjusting the main jet will fix that problem. My 841 ford does that and I just adjust the main jet and its just fine. Its the little things that need to be just right for them to run well.



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