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riverbend

11-30-2007 12:35:22




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I was trimming up some little box elders around the barn and nicked the foundation. Resharpened the chain and now it cuts to the left. How do I fix it ?

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Greg




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riverbend

12-01-2007 15:53:33




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
Thanks for the advice guys. I think I'll have another go with the file and look for any dull corners before I buy a new chain.

Greg



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don g

12-01-2007 08:20:27




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
A good rule of thumb is to find the worst tooth on the chain and count how many strokes it takes to make it sharp then sharpen every tooth on chain with same amount of strokes and pressure.This will keep your teeth the same length on both sides which is important to keep your saw cutting true.Like Hugh i learned from an old tree man years ago and will put my free hand sharping skills up against any machine.I cant begin to tell you how much beer i have gotten for sharpening other peoples saw. LOL Come on over anytime and i will show you how its done.The most i read Hughs posts i am beginning to think we may be related. LOL Poor Hugh

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Hugh MacKay

12-01-2007 14:57:02




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to don g, 12-01-2007 08:20:27  
Don: Gosh you are in bad shape. I think you are the first guy on YT to admit that.

The guy I learned from actually worked for my dad when I was a teenager. He was one rough and tumble charactor. He never worked anything but the logging industry. Nothing for him to have 3 or 4 saws on the go at one time. He always worked piece work, thus never took time to fix anything in the bush, just grabbed another saw. He had no patience for a saw that was a lemon. He had a big Stihl, had it in for warrenty several times the first month. One day in the bush, holding that saw by the bar, he laid it in front of Farmall 300 wheel with Canadian ring chains and ordered me to drop the clutch. I didn't. May as well have, the next day he went to the shop, took everything apart possible on that saw, threw it all in a box, went and bought a new Husky. He wouldn't fool 5 minutes with a saw that didn't work. But man he knew how to make them cut and it was all freehand fileing.

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don g

12-01-2007 16:52:53




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-01-2007 14:57:02  
When we had the big trees to drop we had a disston and a mercury 2 man saws.Talk about man eaters.We used to have one guy start them and then he had to rest.It took forever to sharpen those chains as they were so long.When the saw was sharp and they were running good you could cut a house in half.I suppose both saws are collectors items but as for me i prefer to never see one like that again. lol Getting lazy in my old age i guess.My Stihl 360 is as heavy as i want to use anymore.

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Hugh MacKay

12-02-2007 02:44:19




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to don g, 12-01-2007 16:52:53  
Don: I hear you, I'm down to two saws, use them so little I don't even remember the model numbers. One is a big pro Husky, I haven't used it in years. My son cranks it up once or twice per year. I tend to favour a little thing we have called a Shinandwa, ( I probably didn't spell that correct) nice saw for 65+ year old guys.



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NDS

12-01-2007 08:05:44




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
Some people can never get chain sharpened right ( I am one of them) I keep several on hand and carry them to Farmers CoOp when I get a couple of dull ones. They have sharpening machine and in a few minutes (for $3 each) they get them cutting better than new.



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Dave in Tx

12-01-2007 06:17:45




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
One side is still dull. Look at the side of the chipper, there will be a worn triangle shaped dull place in it. This takes the set out of the chain and the tooth rubs instead of cuts. The length and angle doesn't have to be perfect but it has to be sharp. The less angle you have on the tooth, the narrower the kerf. Good for hard woods, the sharper the angle, the wider the kerf, good for soft woods. Try to keep both sides the same length and angle. Once you get the dull out sharpen the other side to the same length. If the worn abrasive angle goes too far back on the tooth it is probably better to get a new chain as it can take a lot of filing to get it right. After you get it sharp, be sure to cut the drags down also. This sets how deep the tooth will cut in the wood.

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Keith-OR

12-01-2007 01:48:58




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
Hello Greg, I wasn't going to respond to this, but figured you would like to have your saw cut correctly.
Don't want to rain on anyones parade, but it is NOT that critical that the length of the chippers be the same on both sides of your chain, the cutting edge "angle" of the chippers MUST be the same on the left and right side of your chain.

I've put arrows to show that these chippers are shorter than the ones on the opposite side on this chain and it cuts straight. But you will notice the angle of the chippers are the same on both sides of the chain. I sharpen my chain at 20* also I use nothing but Oregon Chipper chain. Most smaller saws use either 30* or 35* on the cutting edge angle on the chippers.
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If you don't have the experience on sharpening your chain, here is a tool that clamps onto your bar. It allows you to adjust the cutting angle and the pitch of the chippers. Sure beats the cost of buying a new chain everytime you hit a rock or foundation..LOL
I found this in a box of junk I bought a auction. If you were closer I would give it to you..

Oh the file goes in the lower part of the slide.

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Keith & Shawn(Special Olympic Champion)

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Hugh MacKay

12-01-2007 03:05:18




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to Keith-OR, 12-01-2007 01:48:58  
Keith: There is a reason for that tool being in someone's junk pile. Oregon used to give those away.

I've employed and been around a good many pro saw operators. I'd like to see you convince them the teeth don't have to be same length on both sides. I learnrd to file saws from and old guy that pushed chain saws 40 hours per week oner 30 years. First thing he did was throw my fileing gauge away. And YES, the teeth have to be SAME length both sides.

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Keith-OR

12-01-2007 08:46:24




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-01-2007 03:05:18  
Hugh, I was raised with people that spent most of thier lives in the wood felling trees 8+ hours a day. My dad worked in the logging industry in SD. Have a BIL that is a retired logger, that all he ever did was fall trees. I started using a chainsaw when I was around 9 or 10. Was when Sears came out with the David Bradley. That has been 50+ years. I still have family friends that own logging Companies.

When you are in the woods(mountains) 80 miles from closest town,and you hit a wire, staple or spike in a tree, you are going to run you saw back to town to a shop and have the chain sharpened by Quote a Pro. When one is falling trees for a living, time and a sharp saw is money as you are paid by the board feet. You don't have the time to sit and count how many storks of the file you make on each chipper!!! In my little section of the world I am classified by friends, family and a few co-workers as a pro when it comes to running, and sharpening a chain saw. When I was growing up here in Oregon there were 2 types of work, you either farmed, worked on a farm, OR worked in the logging industry.

Keith

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Hugh MacKay

12-01-2007 13:52:18




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to Keith-OR, 12-01-2007 08:46:24  
Keith: Much the same as where I came from in Nova Scotia. You either farmed, worked on a farm or worked the logging industry. I considered myself one of the lucky ones, I farmed, but my farm contained 500 acres of mixed but mainly spruce woodland. I had my own skidder and most of the time seemed to own a dozen chain saws. My employees all carried two saws and probably 4 chains. Never took time to sharpen in the bush, but all but the junior guys filed their own, in the warmth of my shop. I got saddled with the rest in between milkings.

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GordoSD

11-30-2007 15:41:17




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
I had that problem, Spent several sessions sharpening. I had used the saw a TON over 4 years with the same chain. STUPID. Went and spent 16 dollars for a new stihl chain, and its like the day I bought it! Buy a new chain.

Gordo



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RossIL

11-30-2007 15:05:53




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
Something I've found in hand sharpening chainsaws is that one side is easier than the other. The easier side seems to get more material taken off of it so everytime time or two I fuel up I take two strokes on the easy side and three strokes on the hard side it gets it pretty darn close, makes good chips and cuts straight. I'd take your chain to a professional though this time and let him straighten it out.
Ross

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Dave BN

11-30-2007 14:33:44




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
Yep, take it to the sharpening guy or buy a new chain or both. If you look you'll most likely find that the tops of the teeth are rounded off. If so,to properly sharpen that chain will require removing a lot of each tooth. Thus your chain will not have much life left and the depth quages will need filing also. I save one old chain to use for doing just what you were doing and cutting dirty wood, roots etc. No sense in ruining a new/good chain. Dave.

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Haas

11-30-2007 14:23:22




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
As others said, improperl sharpening job. Takes a skilled person to do it properly by hand and the power sharpeners tend to overheat the cutting teeth causing problems too. Your solution, new chain or a professional sharpening job. Neighbor had one of the tree cutting crew that was working for the utility sharpen his saw a while back. Said it cut like a new chain. I asked how he did it. No power sharpener, no guide, just free hand with a file so it can be done.

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Brownie450

11-30-2007 14:21:49




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
May have to get a professional resharpen job. I had one like that, & had to take it to the sharpening shop. It needed to be ground quite a bit to bring it back into shape. As I recall, it was still just $6.



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Hugh MacKay

11-30-2007 14:17:26




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
Greg: Your long on the tooth on one side. The unfortunate part with chain saw chains is you have to file the good side that didn't get dinged by the concrete just as far as the other side. I agree with Jim, maybe go a bit further, throw the old chain over your shoulder at your scrap metal pile, and don't look to see where it lands. Then go buy a new chain.



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JT

11-30-2007 12:46:39




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
You need to resharpen your chain, you are sharper on one set of cutters than the other.



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Janicholson

11-30-2007 12:44:17




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
It needs to be sharpened very well even along the sides of the chippers. Looking with a hand glass will probably show you where the grief is. If it has been abraded down into the side dramatically, it is toast. JimN



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Wayne from MN

11-30-2007 12:43:06




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 Re: OT chainsaw won't cut straight in reply to riverbend, 11-30-2007 12:35:22  
Re-sharpen the chain so left & right cutters are equal.



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