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OT: How much firewood can I haul

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chad504

11-29-2007 09:18:16




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I'm in a pinch and need to buy some firewood. I was going to pick up a rick after wood today, and I realized I've never hauled wood in this truck. It's a 98 ford ranger with a 6' bed. good thing is I'm only driving about 6 miles with it. You guys think I can get it in there? I'm not worried about pulling it, or brakes truck has the power and good brakes. I'm just wondering it I can get it in one trip without dragging the mud flaps ( done that a few times with mulch)

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riverbend

11-30-2007 16:02:38




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  
If your truck has leaf springs, just load it until the springs are flat. That will be plenty for one load. If the steering feels kind of vague, drive slower.

Greg



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36 coupe

11-30-2007 04:55:06




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  
My friend had a Ranger that had fiberglass rear springs, didnt take much to bottom them.Measure your pickup bed and see how many cubic feet you have.My 3/4 ton truck can haul 1/2 cord.I have filled it with hard wood edgings from a 4X4X4 pipe rack.While a cord contains 128 cubic feet it shrinks to about 100 cubic feet when sawed to stove length.A local news paper says a cord of sawed wood can be piled to 128 cubic feet.Cant be done. A ten cord load of tree length wood will shrink to 8 cord if cut to 4 foot lengths.A half cord of firewood can weigh 1 ton.This is hard on a half ton pickup.When I sold wood I used a trailer that measured 4X8X2 feet deep inside.It was packed in tight and level.20.00 a load .At 200.00 a cord the same load would cost 100.00.Dry sawed wood is hard to find here.

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Bob Kerr

11-29-2007 20:36:44




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  
I have hauled all my winters wood in a 94 Dakota and one trip I could get over a rick and a half(rick 4x8) in one load and it would have the frame sitting on the rear axle. I was hauling mostly wet cherry. It would fill the 8ft bed to about half way up the rear window to the very back of the bed. Tires didn"t like it and I am sure it stressed the frame also. I had to go 40 miles with it and I went about 30 MPH on smooth roads. I don"t think a Ranger can haul as much as the Dakota so just keep watching the axle to frame bumpers as you load it and keep the heavy stuff as far forward as possible with the lighter stuff in back. I would give it at least two inches of clearance if you like the truck or if you don"t like the truck, go ahead and set the frame on the axle but go very slow and be sure your tires are aired up to max rating and I would stick to the backroads unless they are super rough. I just got a 71 Chevy Custom Camper 3/4T which has extra heavy duty suspension to do my hauling with from now on. Dad has one just like it but a "longhorn" he bought new in 69 and we used to load it as high as the top of the cab all the way back with side boards and we hauled mostly oak elm and hickory. I am going to go cut and split a load tomorrow for the first time with this truck so I will see how it does! I have a feeling I will get wore out before I get it filled!

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Bob Kerr

11-30-2007 20:44:25




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to Bob Kerr, 11-29-2007 20:36:44  
Update on my new truck. Hauled a huge load of ground layed ash and hickory today. All wood was wet and heavy. Filled bed to the top of the cab front to back, stcked tight in bed and it sat just below level in back! Drove like a dream! Had a few people flash high beams though. They are set too high even empty. I saw a new S-10 today with a monster load. Bumper was almost on the ground no doubt the frame was on the axel hard, and stacked over the top of the cab. Bet he voided his warranty!

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Doc Larry

11-29-2007 16:42:17




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  
Well, what I'd like to know, is how much can your IH tractor haul? Or am I on the wrong forum again??



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Steven f/AZ

11-29-2007 16:41:58




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  
We bought a cord of wood a few years ago - they delivered with a 3/4 ton pickup and a car trailer with it's tires bulging out. I don't think the volume of that cord would have fit in a pickup box...



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36 coupe

11-30-2007 04:59:43




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-29-2007 16:41:58  
1/2 cord is tops piled level in an 8 foot body.This can be a ton of green wood.



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don g

11-29-2007 13:53:06




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  
In Illinos a rick is just about anything you want to call it.Hugh is quite right in that the crooks sell it that way.Ive sold firewood for over 35 years and people are still amazed when u bring them a real cord of wood.A cord of really good hard wood can go as much as 3000 pounds.I am sure your truck can handle 1500 pounds so just make 2 trips.After all its only 6 miles.



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Hugh MacKay

11-29-2007 18:22:54




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to don g, 11-29-2007 13:53:06  
Don: There is a printed page joke circulates in my hometown, and this is about a guy with little experience going to country and felling his own trees then processing them into firewood. I can't remember all the details, but his cost per cord was $43,000.

Included things like being sued for cutting on wrong property, chain saw expences unbelievable, close to a dozen truck tires, broke back window out of pickup 3 times, beer to treat his help, it ended in a divorce. I've forgotten most of the detail on those cost items, but the highlight, he didn't have a clue how much weight he was piling on the 3/4 ton pickup.

I used to truck fire wood to outskirts of city in 8' lengths, where a broker bucked, split it and delivered with a 1 ton dump. Many folks thought his delivered price was too high, thus headed for country with pickups and utility trailers. I also used to sell to these folks and let them buck and split their own. They save some money doing those chores, then blew it all trucking 40-50 miles with a pickup.

Chad will do alright on the 6 mile haul as long as he just nicely fills the box and calls that a load.

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don g

11-29-2007 19:47:06




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-29-2007 18:22:54  
Lots of town people dont realize how much work goes into making a cord of wood not to mention the equipment u must have.How much does a cord of wood sell for there Hugh?Around here it 160 dollars or better depending on the wood of course.



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Hugh MacKay

11-30-2007 03:29:37




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to don g, 11-29-2007 19:47:06  
Don: I'm away from this a few years now. however I expect it's very close to $160. per cord ready for the stove. In the 1980s, I used to pile up 8' long wood at roadside in the bush for $45. per cord. Customers would come there with their own truck, saws, splitters, labor, etc. The scale was split in their truck on the basis of 128 cubic foot cords. When I trucked it to the city, scale was done on cords of 8' wood on truck, at around $50. per cord, but then you have the differential between 8' scale and split fire wood. An old timer near me back in the 80s always claimed if you scaled a pile of 8' wood, bucking it into 16" lengths you loose 18% and when you split it you gain back 9%. Not sure I'm exact on those figures, but close. The old timer was the dad of the sawmill operator I sold my saw logs to. I guess the old man had nothing better to do than repile wood. Probably as productive as some of what today's older generation do.

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Formerly PaMike

11-29-2007 16:22:02




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to don g, 11-29-2007 13:53:06  
Amen!! I sell firewood too. I cant believe how many people are getting ripped off! When I roll up in my truck with a half cord my customers say "How much of this load is mine, thats more than a half cord isnt it?".



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Hugh MacKay

11-29-2007 13:27:13




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  
Chad: I'm not familiar with the term "rick of wood". I've been around the forest industry since the early 1960s and that's a new one on me. Through the 60s, 70s anf 80s I harvested between 20 and 100 tractor trailer loads per year, never heard that one.

I see someone else on the thread talking face cord. I've heard that one, and as I understand it, a pile 4x8 and could be anywhere from 1' to 20' long sticks. We always refered to guy selling face cords as the crooks of the industry. What else could one call them.

If you go cords as in 128 cubic feet, it's going to run from about 2.2 ton in spruce to about 2.6 ton in hardwoods. In hardwoods the average Ford Ranger will be sitting on it's axles with a box full. You best have damn good tires even for 6 miles.

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Jimmy King

11-29-2007 22:24:33




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-29-2007 13:27:13  
Hugh, my Dad always called a rick 1/3 of a cord.



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Hugh MacKay

11-30-2007 03:06:42




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to Jimmy King, 11-29-2007 22:24:33  
Jimmy: Glad you cleared this up. I was beginning to wonder if I missed something in life. All I could imagine, North Americans are so obcessed with oriental porducts these days, I figured it must be in fashion to import one of those rickshaws from China just to haul one's wood home. Therefor a rick of wood would be the amount one could haul on a rickshaw.



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Wardner

11-29-2007 19:29:19




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-29-2007 13:27:13  
Hugh, does this mean you put up 1000 cord in some years? Seeing as you have never mentioned tree harvestors, wood processors, or skidders, you must have looked like Paul Bunyon.



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Hugh MacKay

11-30-2007 02:57:50




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to Wardner, 11-29-2007 19:29:19  
Wardner: My farm contained 500 acres of mixed woodland By the early 1970s I was getting hasseled by workplace safety folks (govt) in allowing employees to operate tractors in the bush, I bought a forestry skidder. Before the days of a lot of cows on the farm either my dad or myself operated the tractor. Dad was no longer able and I was milking 100 holsteins. The forestry skidder was a 1975, John Deere 540A, and I used it for tillage and packing bunker silos in summer, plus it did some custom work. In the winter time the same crew that did cropping, harvesting and custom work in summer, harvested forest products. I had a loader device I used on a tractor and my own tractor trailer to haul products to the mill. Other than drive the truck on ocasion between milkings, I had little personal involvment. I always found that barn full of holsteins a comfortable enviornment in cold weather. Yes, there were a couple of Paul Bunyans amoung those guys running chain saws. The down side of guys running chain saws 4 days per week, is they drank all weekend, then couldn't get going on Mon. I remember growling about this one day in a line up at the bank. An old guy in the line up said, "Hugh, could you run a chain saw 8 hours per day, everyday without drinking all weekend." He had a good point.

On the subject of chain saws, there were guys out there that could hack it and they made big money. I remember one guy, came from a poor family, he got married at 20. He and his wife went on to build a new home, raised 4 children and bought a new car and pickup every three years. His wife never worked outside the home. As those children got married, he was able to put substancial dollars into their new homes, something his dad was unable to do. Yes, he achived all this cutting 20 cords of wood per day, probably 150-200 days per year, basically 3,000 to 4,000 cords. He told me once, he averaged 3 new chain saws per year.

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sammy the RED

11-29-2007 12:47:12




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to dhermesc, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  
In Michigan wood can only be sold legaly by the CORD.

But most people sell it by the face cord. third party image



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Jim WestTN

11-29-2007 11:23:23




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to Pat-CT, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  

El Toro said: (quoted from post at 13:14:03 11/29/07) You be able to haul that amount easily. Hal


A cord of wood is 128 cubic feet, 4x4x8 or a combination to equal 128 cubic feet. A rick of wood is by definition a fraction of a cord and could be equal to for example 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, /1/8, 1/16/, 1/32, 1/64 of a cord. You can easily carry a rick of firewood in the front seat of your compact car if it is 1/64 of a cord. Buy your firewood referenced to a cord.

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F-Dean

11-29-2007 10:02:21




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  
Be careful how far and where you haul it. In some states, you may need a permit due to the Green Ash Boer.



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edj856

11-29-2007 09:43:38




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:18:16  
If a rick is the same as a cord (4x4x8) I would make two trips. I don't think it will all fit in the bed anyway.



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chad504

11-29-2007 09:53:48




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to edj856, 11-29-2007 09:43:38  
Actually a rick, I think, is 1/3 of a cord. 4x8x16"



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banjo

11-29-2007 22:08:06




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:53:48  
Down here in SE Okla a rick is known as 1/2 cord. Our ricks are 2'wx4'hx8'w.



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Andy Martin

11-29-2007 11:38:59




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:53:48  
Although legally a rick may be "a fraction of a cord", or in some states, it is metely "a pile of wood", most places a rick is 1/2 of a face cord. A face cord is ft high, 16 feet long, and as thick as the wood is long. So a face rick of 16" wood is about 1/3 cord. A face rick of 24" wood would be 1/2 cord. Just don't buy by the rick and try to sue the seller if you think he shorted you. Don't buy it if you don't want it. Some guys will sell 14 in wood, 3-1/2 ft high, 7 ft long, stacked very nicely as a rick, but it is only 22% of a cord.

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El Toro

11-29-2007 10:14:03




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 Re: OT: How much firewood can I haul in reply to chad504, 11-29-2007 09:53:48  
You be able to haul that amount easily. Hal



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