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Learned Something Yesterday

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Allan In NE

11-28-2007 02:32:27




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I have this Hydro 70 that just had a new gas engine put in.

Okay fine, this engine doesn't have a total of 3 hours on it yet as the tractor is under a loader as is used very sporadically.

Noticed a couple of days after getting it back from the Red Shop that the alternator light wasn't working. Heck with it; I'll fix it later when I have more time; probably just a burned out bulb anyway.

A week ago, the darned tractor started missing. Changed the plugs a couple of times, but it continued to go back to missing within just a few minutes each time.

Should note here that the ignition has been changed over to solid state. No points.

Long story short, the thing wouldn't start when I was trying to feed cattle yesterday; dead battery, so I put the charger on it for two hours.

Used it last night and after charging the battery, the engine miss is gone.

Was working in the dark so after a bit turned on the lights because the yard light wasn't enough.

Engine miss immediately came back when I turned that switch.

Okay, I get it now. :>)

Allan

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evielboweviel

11-29-2007 14:58:57




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 Re: Learned Something Yesterday in reply to Allan In NE, 11-28-2007 02:32:27  
Allan
replace the idiot light first
bought a nissan from, it didn't charge. installed 3 different used alternators, still won't charge. called for help, was told to replace the light bulb. did and it charged great. needs the light bulb to excite the alternator
ron



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Randy in NE

11-29-2007 05:42:12




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 Re: Learned Something Yesterday in reply to Allan In NE, 11-28-2007 02:32:27  
It isn't just the new fangled ignition systems that need a good battery. We had problems with my brother's SM this fall. We knew that it needed a new battery but it would always start with a little tug of a chain. Then it got to where it was missing and would hardly pull itself. A new battery fixed everything. This is with the original ignition system.



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higgins

11-28-2007 08:24:30




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 Re: Learned Something Yesterday in reply to Allan In NE, 11-28-2007 02:32:27  
No idiot lights but still had to have car die to figger it out on a 91 Jeep Cherokee. First symptom I noticed was the auto trans got to dragging. Battery and motor died as I pulled into home angled into the ditch. Charged it up and saw the guage discharging. Installed rebuilt alt and same problem....Checked the Haynes manual and there are in-line fuses from the alt. GRRRRR RR - which I have not found yet due to being mostly too upset to look. Hate to junk it because it has 98 engine with less that 30K,

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Bob Kerr

11-28-2007 08:14:40




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 Re: Learned Something Yesterday in reply to Allan In NE, 11-28-2007 02:32:27  
I was traveling to a car show in Jefferson WI one morning and arrived at a tool gate just off of I 39 north of Rockford. I had the lights on all night, but had been going down the hwy and it was fine. when I slowed down for the booth, the engine started to miss and when I finally used the brakes the engine died totally and wouldn"t start. It was a loose battery cable that caused it. I moved the cable around and it fired up enough for me to clear the one lane toll booth. Had one totally die once when I hit the light switch also. Funny how the alt put out enough to run all the lights on the car and big trailer and heater fan as I drove all the way through IL from the Danville side and no trouble, till I stopped! I wonder if they left a wire loose somewhere?

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Andy Martin

11-29-2007 12:01:38




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 Re: Learned Something Yesterday in reply to Bob Kerr, 11-28-2007 08:14:40  
Your problem was probalby a bad battery. An alternator is great turning fast, with an exciter charge.

Lot's of old cars with no battery would push start because the generator would self excite enough to spark the old style point system.

That's a problem with alternators on old tractors: most of them are not set up to turn fast enough to really put out the current they were designed for.



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Janicholson

11-28-2007 06:55:43




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 Re: Learned Something Yesterday in reply to Allan In NE, 11-28-2007 02:32:27  
I was The service manager of a IH medium truck dealership in Bowling Green Ohio.
A Brockway (for real) cab and chassis that was on its way to Newhampshire for a fire truck body cam into the shop from the highway. It would not shut off. The transport driver indicated that the unit had had its heater fan start to slow down in Indiana, and when the lights were turned on in Ohio, they dimmed down to nothing within 80 miles. The driver got to our door just at closing (10 below zero).
We got it inside and hooked a charger to it, cranked it to 50 amps, and it was able to shut off.
The next day, I began to trouble shoot the charging system. The trouble was that it didn't have one at all. No 150 amp Leese-Neville alternator, No harness, No regulator, No Alt bracket, No fuse link, No idiot light, No amp or volt meter.
The factory refused to believe it until I put them in a position that required their looking at the build ticket. The engineering group head called back and said "you know, that truck hasn't got a charging system" Duh!
We built one in house to the specs sent from Chicago, and sent the driver on his way with a heater. The chassis was fast, (I got a chance to road test it) it was a V8-71 Detroit with Turbo over supercharger into an allison 12 speed automatic. With no body on it it was a tire chirper at every shift. Fun, JimN

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Steven f/AZ

11-28-2007 06:06:40




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 Re: Learned Something Yesterday in reply to Allan In NE, 11-28-2007 02:32:27  
I despise idiot lights on anything - tractors, cars, pickups, etc. They don't tell you anything until it's pretty much too late in my opinion.

I'll keep my H w/magneto, working flawlessly for four years now and haven't even adjusted the points! The H with distributor can be an ugly starting tractor if the battery is down just a little bit - that one will get a magneto too when I get the chance.

Have a great time fixing up your charging system! third party image

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Hugh MacKay

11-28-2007 02:49:11




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 Re: Learned Something Yesterday in reply to Allan In NE, 11-28-2007 02:32:27  
Allan: Sounds as though it's really not charging. You went from no engine miss right after new engine, then engine miss, then no start. Then charged it, worked fine until you used lights. I think therein lies your answer.



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Allan In NE

11-28-2007 03:17:55




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 Re: Learned Something Yesterday in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-28-2007 02:49:11  
Yes Sir,

The answer finally soaked into my old worn out pee brain just as soon as I threw that light switch.

That solid state ignition needs a good healthy and steady supply of proper voltage to work right.

Not like the old point systems that would just run until they dropped from starvation.

'Spose I'd better stop and fix that light/charging system. There's a reason they are refered to as "idiot lights". I'm living proof. :>)

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

11-28-2007 05:08:18




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 Re: Learned Something Yesterday in reply to Allan In NE, 11-28-2007 03:17:55  
Allan: We're just not up to speed with this modern technology. When we were young lads a diesel would run on nothing and gasser on little more than nothing, and if one could avoid using starter or lights he could go a looonnnggg way.

I remember back couple of years, was headed for Detroit, modern day Mack with all the bells and whistles. I noticed the Mack was not charging, so pulled into rest area on I-94. Got a set of jump cables from another trucker, hooked the truck batteries to the refer charging system, for about 45 min. until the other guy wanted to leave. Since it was now daylight, I figured without lights on, I'd be good for downtown Detroit. WRONG, at the 12 mile that Mack electronic injection pump had been drawing so much juice, the Mack died, I-94 at the 12 miles to my destination, Detroit rush hour. I learned something that day. A 12', 10 gauge jump wire from refer to truck electrical system would have kept me going. It's now a perminant fixture in that truck. You best install a volt meter.

By the way, I don't think we're idiots, we just shouldn't trust modern day idiots.

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