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StanHoist wagon on the H

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SGT K

11-24-2007 05:45:53




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I converted my old StanHoist wagon to a one-way cylinder so I could pull it with the H. I thought it would be a good way to haul firewood.

Trouble is, the six quarts of oil in the belly pump wouldn"t raise it high enough. This is how high it will go with an extra quart and a half of oil. Will it cause me any problems running my old H with the pump over-full?
Thanks Paul

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Nat 2

11-28-2007 05:46:43




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to D Slater, 11-24-2007 05:45:53  
You need to use a solid cap on the fill pipe if you do this. Otherwise the oil will spray out the vent hole, as it wants to take the path of least resistance.



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ejr-IA

11-24-2007 11:00:06




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to SGT K, 11-24-2007 05:45:53  
Armand is right on thats how the number 31 power loader for the H was hooked up to have enough oil to raise the loader.



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Vito

11-24-2007 07:26:41




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to SGT K, 11-24-2007 05:45:53  
Thanks guys was going to post same question regarding a Horn loader with two stage cylinders that woulnd't extend all the way.
Vito



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Armand Tatro

11-24-2007 07:24:32




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to SGT K, 11-24-2007 05:45:53  
You say you converted wagon hoist to one-way action. Was it 2-way(did it have 2 hoses to begin with?) If so put the 2nd. hose back on; plumb into the tractor; and use the back of the cylinder to hold the extra oil. It should plumb in the same as the loader did and use orignal valve. I think you put a tee in the fill pipe and hook the extra hose there but not sure what you did with the breather. Hope somebody can add to this. Or there is the option of adding another tank. Armand

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SGT K

11-24-2007 13:06:37




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to Armand Tatro, 11-24-2007 07:24:32  
Armand,

That's an excellent idea I didn't even think of. I could T the fill pipe and run the oil right back in. Then I would not have to over-fill it and worry about it running over. It did have two hoses. After I pushed the oil out of the top of the cylinder I took the hose off and clamped a heater hose on the cylinder and pointed it down, so it wouldn't catch rain water. Then I wire-tied a couple of old socks on it for an air filter. (farm-boy engineering)

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Pat-CT

11-24-2007 06:50:31




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to SGT K, 11-24-2007 05:45:53  
wish i had a garage like that :]



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mkirsch

11-24-2007 06:44:51




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to IndianaRed, 11-24-2007 05:45:53  
Nope, it won't hurt anything, except maybe the paint job when it overflows. You can have the reservoir full right to the brim if you want, just remember oil expands as it heats, and when it comes back in under pressure, it can splash.

What will hurt the pump is running the reservoir dry.

Loaders from the era have very long one-way cylinders that take more than 6 quarts too. The tops of the cylinders are used as supplemental reservoirs so when the loader goes up, they push more oil into the belly pump, and when the loader goes down, the full reservoir pushes oil back into the cylinders.

I thought the belly reservoir was pretty well full when the dipstick said full... Looks like a gallon tank would be more than enough as a catch tank, and would be very easy to hide under the gas tank.

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mkirsch

11-24-2007 06:18:07




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to Carden, 11-24-2007 05:45:53  
It won't matter, but there's no way another quart and a half will fit in the reservoir. If it would, then it'd be a 7-1/2 quart reservoir not a 6 quart, right? :)

What's going to happen is, the excess oil is going to squirt out the vent in the cap and go EVERYWHERE!

You need an external reservoir to supplement the factory liftall. 2 gallons should be plenty, because you don't want the pump to run dry. A 2 gallon tank won't be that expensive and should tuck right under the gas tank.

Just remove the vent cap from the H, hook a hose from the drain in the 2 gallon tank to the fill pipe, and mount the 2 gallon tank above the belly pump so the extra oil can drain into the belly pump when it needs the extra oil. No valves necessary, it's all automatic.

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SGT K

11-24-2007 06:33:23




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to mkirsch, 11-24-2007 06:18:07  
I'm pretty sure that when I changed all the fluids that six quarts fills the oil to the "full mark" on the dip-stick. The extra quart and a half raises the oil level another two inches on the stick. So, if it won't hurt anything, I could fill it even more, just as long as it does not come out of the fill tube when the cylinder is lowered?

As long as it doesn't hurt the pump I think I'm good to go. Of course if the oil would get warm enough to expand much, I might have a mess ;)

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donald schnupper

11-27-2007 18:29:39




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to SGT K, 11-24-2007 06:33:23  
I HAD A 7 X 14 FT HEIDER BOX WITH A BIG MIDWEST HOIST AND MY H WOULD LIFT IT ALL THE WAY UP.NEVER EVER SQUIRTED ANY OIL OUT. DON



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Andy Martin

11-24-2007 10:59:30




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 Re: StanHoist wagon on the H in reply to SGT K, 11-24-2007 06:33:23  
Most my tractors don't ahve a dip stick, I just fill them up, and they hold quite a bit. You will not hurt the pump overfilling.

If you want, hook the rod end of the cylinder to the drain of the pump housing so it will provide a little more oil (works great) and the cylinder will suck some back out as the load comes down. It also keeps dirt out of the cylinder.

Did you have a vented plug in the rod end of the cylinder? Air pressure will also stop the cylinder from lifting.

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