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Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H.

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WOEII

11-21-2007 13:04:32




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Why you might ask?...LOL! I have 2 retired H's that are going to be restored. All they would be doing is going to parades and shows and I think duels would add a nice look.

I don't want the strap on ones either. I know a cup in and a cup out will prolly fit ok but would really like to have each side both cupped out. Now it seems that both cupped out might extend passed the axle some. Is this true?

Ok... if it over laps some I have seen some H silver rims are not the same. Some are smooth with a metal beed rising up in the middle to meet the iron hub. Other seem to have 3 beeds? Are these ones with 3 allow you to hook up at different areas?
Example: Iron hub added to axle and put all the way down to the end. Take silver rim and use the very end beed and attach to the hub so more of the tire would be going toward the seat rather than center of the rim.
Please excuse my terminology of these items as I am not a farmer or have a lot of hours on the tractors. I do love them very much because they were original purchased new by my grandfather.third party image

Well this is where my thoughts come to an end. I just need more ideas and info to make this happen. third party image

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WOEII

11-24-2007 06:54:02




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 Re: There is a downside to duels on an H in reply to Flameffects, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  

mkirsch said: (quoted from post at 07:33:50 11/24/07)
Don't worry about it. You'll be just fine with duals for parades.

You can't do dished-out on both sets of wheels with stock axles. There isn't enough room.

With the inner wheel dished in and slid all the way in, there's just enough room left on the axle for the outer wheel, dished out.


Any custom silver rim makers out there? How would I got about tracking down a 100" axle? third party image

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mkirsch

11-24-2007 06:33:50




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 Re: There is a downside to duels on an H in reply to NDS, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  
Don't worry about it. You'll be just fine with duals for parades.

You can't do dished-out on both sets of wheels with stock axles. There isn't enough room.

With the inner wheel dished in and slid all the way in, there's just enough room left on the axle for the outer wheel, dished out.



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WOEII

11-23-2007 18:42:49




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 Re: There is a downside to duels on an H in reply to wolfman, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  

Hugh MacKay said:

He soon discovered all these add ons were robbing his power badly. The then relatively new H had trouble even getting moving in 5th gear with baler behind it. He soon traded the H for a SM,it had the added power needed to handle duels. [/quote:a79adef5e7]

[quote="Steven f/AZ"](quoted from post at 08:21:42 11/22/07) [quote:a79adef5e7="Hugh MacKay"]

But they look soooo cool!


Heck ya! She not a working girl anymore. So scootin back and fourth with duels should be fine all on it's own?

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Steven f/AZ

11-22-2007 07:21:42




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 Re: There is a downside to duels on an H in reply to Pat-CT, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  

Hugh MacKay said: (quoted from post at 05:54:08 11/22/07)Plain and simple duels take horse power.


But they look soooo cool!

Did M&W make dual hubs for the H/300/350? I know there were 9 or 10 bolt hubs for the M, etc. that would be somewhat "period correct."

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Hugh MacKay

11-22-2007 04:54:08




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 Re: There is a downside to duels on an H in reply to WOEII, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  
Guys: There is a dowm side to duels on your H tractors. Duels take a substancial amount of power. Back in the early 1950s we had a neighbor that did custom baling, basically taxing the equipment he had more or less to the limit. Then he encountered a wet year, flotation was the order of the day. He put duels on the H, duels and a tandem axle device on heavy side of baler.

He soon discovered all these add ons were robbing his power badly. The then relatively new H had trouble even getting moving in 5th gear with baler behind it. He soon traded the H for a SM,it had the added power needed to handle duels. Over the years I had duels for my 560, 656 and 1066. The 1066 was the only one of the group I never removed the duels. Plain and simple duels take horse power.

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Spook

11-21-2007 19:21:49




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to WOEII, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  
I have thought of doing that, mostly because I think it would look neat!



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L.C.Gray

11-21-2007 18:36:18




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to WOEII, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  
A friend of mine has duals on his H, Both inner and outer have axle mount cast centers with clamp on rims, but I have never noted which way everythings turned. I know it takes up every inch of an 8'ft trailer and maybe them some. Its mainly for show/parade, they won't let him pull it anywhere.



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WOEII

11-21-2007 15:01:59




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to 300Randy, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  

Ole Sow 53 said: (quoted from post at 14:59:12 11/21/07) I just measured my H it has 11.2 x 38 and 10" rims

it look like you would have 1" to 1.5" between the duals of the same size with both wheels cupped out. Bigger tires or wider rims would not work.
Some Hs came with 100" axles instead of 80". Try finding some of them.


Any idea on how much over the the center would be past the axel?

The 100' axles would do the trick I am sure. Tracking something like that down is gonna be a nightmare but it's a good sign that there are options. third party image

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WOEII

11-21-2007 14:54:23




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to Bob, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  

glennster said: (quoted from post at 14:49:07 11/21/07) i saw a set of duals go at a sale this spring, they had a steel center that bolted up to the cast wheel where the 4 bolts to hold the wheel weights go. has 12-38 tires, probably for an m. if you dont want clamp on or to reverse the hubs, maybe you can find a set like that.


Hmmmm..... third party image Want a stock look. Anything modified would kill the look of the era.

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railhead

11-21-2007 14:56:16




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to WOEII, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  
I saw an M on eBay once with duals on it and they were inside dished in outside dished out. Man it looked great. I have had thoughts of doing that om my 51 M but never ran across a set of spare cast wheels cheap enough.



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J.J. from Afton

11-21-2007 14:10:00




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to WOEII, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  
I'm with the other two, I dont think you fit both wheels with cast centers on dished out. That is unless either of the Hs has the longer rear axles which were an option at the time. Granted you can always try it with the standard axles, but I'm not certain they'll fit.



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Ole Sow 53

11-21-2007 13:59:12




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to WOEII, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  
I just measured my H it has 11.2 x 38 and 10" rims
it look like you would have 1" to 1.5" between the duals of the same size with both wheels cupped out. Bigger tires or wider rims would not work.

Some Hs came with 100" axles instead of 80". Try finding some of them.



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glennster

11-21-2007 13:49:07




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to WOEII, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  
there are deep drop center rims and double bevel rims. they only mount one way, they arent adjustable. i saw a set of duals go at a sale this spring, they had a steel center that bolted up to the cast wheel where the 4 bolts to hold the wheel weights go. has 12-38 tires, probably for an m. if you dont want clamp on or to reverse the hubs, maybe you can find a set like that.



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Hugh MacKay

11-21-2007 13:28:05




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to WOEII, 11-21-2007 13:04:32  
WOEII: Call George Willer, he has one. I don't think you can dish both wheels out using cast wheels. I couldn't with my Farmall 560, but I was also using much wider tire, but then 560 axles are about 4" longer than H. I'm quite certain George's tractor has inside dished in and outside dished out.



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Clefus

11-21-2007 16:53:30




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-21-2007 13:28:05  
Hugh
Did you have any 560's that you plowed with that had a fast hitch...
Reason I ask is that my 560 has about 6" of axle extended on each side ..( I had measured the tread but cant remember).. and hooked up to a 3 btm 14" fh plow....bought it this spring ..
it doesnt lay the 1st furrow tight into my last past.....I really didnt want to narrow the tread because it seem fairly stable on some of the hills I bale on but maybe I might have to....or will the fields disc out??(just bought a 13' this summer...)

I know its not related to dueles but it popped up..lol..
Any replies appreciated
Thanks

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Hugh MacKay

11-21-2007 17:28:12




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to Clefus, 11-21-2007 16:53:30  
Clefus: I never used fast hitch plows other than my 130. I had 3x16 and 4x16 trailer plows and pulled them behind 300 and 560 and both were adjusted on 72" centers. That makes tires flush with end of axle.

with that 3x14 plow, ideally it should be 21" from center of tractor to inside of right rear tire. That should put you close to 60" centers, roughly 74" outside. Axles are 84" end to end. It will work much better with a 4 bottom plow.

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Clefus

11-21-2007 20:42:14




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 Re: Want To Put Duels On a Farmall H. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-21-2007 17:28:12  
Hugh
Thanks
I went and measured it...76" center/center on tread....I have about 2 3/4" of axle sticking out....the 6" came from me thinking of the C ....

I may come in a little on the tread to help till I get a different set...
...or I was thinking of adding another bottom for a 4x14.....(guy has a 2x14 he will give me if the other guy doesnt get it) to add on mine plus replace one section I bent this year...

That info helps me get goin the right way....
Thanks again
Dave

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