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gmsuperA

11-20-2007 18:49:56




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I just got my 08 oem catalog today and saw they have a gas gauge that will fit a lot of farmalls. Has any of you seen this before? IT replaces the gas cap. like to have one but the $225 just made me run to the barn and kiss my old one. that is half what I paid for my SA.




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Armand Tatro

11-21-2007 17:42:37




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to gmsuperA, 11-20-2007 18:49:56  
Dad and I bought a used 400 with one of those cork gauage caps on it. It worked good until cork started to come apart and stop the flow of gas during field work. Once this happens to you and you have to clean fuel system and tank after you figure out the problem you either hang it on a nail in the shop or send it straight to the junk yard. Also I don't think it is a safty cap. Once you have gas boiling in a gas tank and squirting out the gas cap on a 400 with a mounted picker you will want a new style safty cap. Armand

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gmsuperA

11-21-2007 12:40:44




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to gmsuperA, 11-20-2007 18:49:56  
Yea I said I would like to have one but would never spend that kind of money. Myself I use as stick. the gas I can get for $225 will take me around the farm. I would like to say happy thanksgiving to everyone



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dhermesc

11-21-2007 05:29:12




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 Re: gas gauge cap in reply to gmsuperA, 11-20-2007 18:49:56  
Guess I should fix the one that I found in a tool box full of stuff I bought at an auction for $1.00


What do you use to to replace the cork?



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Yugrotcart

11-21-2007 17:04:24




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 Re: gas gauge cap in reply to dhermesc, 11-21-2007 05:29:12  
Go to the local wine kit supplier. Buy a big cork stopper. Just cut and shape it to fix. I fixed my gas gauge 2 years ago, works just fine. It was an IH accessory, so that's why I have it.

Paul



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Andy Motteberg

11-21-2007 16:18:21




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 Re: gas gauge cap in reply to dhermesc, 11-21-2007 05:29:12  
What does it fit? Is it for sale?



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Hugh MacKay

11-21-2007 03:43:22




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to gmsuperA, 11-20-2007 18:49:56  
GM: Can't understand why anyone would want a gas gauge for a Farmall gasser, especially the Super A. It doesn't take very long until the user is quite familiar with the hours it takes to use a tankfull. In the case of the Super A a tank of fuel lasts longer than the operator's posterior can withstand the seat. Most of the old tractors wern't much different, thus while you are off the tractor removing numbness from your bum, very easy to poke a wooden stick in fuel tank. I'll guarentee it will be far more accurate for a lot more years than that $225. cap. By the way, you must stop long enough until gas stops moving for either system to be accurate.

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John in Ct

11-21-2007 14:40:52




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-21-2007 03:43:22  
When I check the gas in my tanks, I use an old car oil dipstick.



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rumplestiltskin

11-21-2007 10:07:52




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-21-2007 03:43:22  

Hugh:

I'm with you on this one.

I have a twenty-dollar wristwatch that will do pretty much the same job, and it's useful for other things as well.

I realize parts sellers need to make a profit to stay in business, but it almost looks like these guys are trying to recover all their R&D and tooling costs with the first cap they sell. It makes me suspicious of their prices on their other products.

Mark W. in MI

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Wardner

11-21-2007 10:57:43




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to rumplestiltskin, 11-21-2007 10:07:52  
Tooling costs can be significant. This isn't a battery box or drawbar that is simply labor and materials. I have a cap/gauge and there are alot of parts that have to be formed in special dies. I won't take my gauge apart to list them but there is more than meets the eye.

Sure, every tractor needs a gas cap but nobody needs a cap/gauge. The market for this product is probably restricted.

I would like to reproduce the constant mesh gearbox for the side mounted Electrall. The patterns alone are in excess of $3000. I have a feeling that owners of the more common trailer Electrall may be interested in converting their units into the side mount but will they spend $2000 for the kit. Probably not. I could order 10 gearboxes and wind up with $15,000 worth of inventory that won't sell.

Last week, a bare Electrall generator sold on eBay for about $1150. It is not good for anything because it is incomplete. I emailed the buyer and asked him if he might be interested in a side mount kit. I didn't mention a price thinking it might scare him off. I got no answer.

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Hugh MacKay

11-21-2007 13:02:00




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to Wardner, 11-21-2007 10:57:43  
Wardner: I hear you loud and clear, I have numerous ideas, but will they sell and for a profit. I built 3 point hitch kits for my 130 and 140, currently equipped with one point fast hitch. It lifts 3 times as much as the 3 point kit currently on the market for these little offsets. It lifts that well because of the geometric principles I incorperated into the hitch. I can moldboard plow with this hitch. One problem, it costs more money than it's competition.

Then if one tries to incorperate those same geometric principles into a 3 point hitch for tractors not equipped with fast hitch, the cost goes up by 40%.

Now, if one wanted to build a super deluxe version, using a remote valve and cylinder to operate the rear rockshaft, then attach the rockshaft to the final drives rather than the fenders. Well, I'm in the middle of building one for my own personal use, and the rockshaft assembly complete with hydraulic controls is going to cost me $1,200 minamum. I'm also tinkering with automatic draft control, that alone could easily hit $2,500.

Then if I were to mass produce this for market, I'd have to accept liability in the form of a warrenty. I suppose if these guys are willing to buy a $225. fuel gauge-cap, they might just buy my $5,000. draft controlled 3 point hitch. Reasonable, suuuuureeeee, still less than the cost of the hitch portion on the modern day 25 hp tractor. Should I hurry into production?

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Wardner

11-21-2007 14:45:25




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-21-2007 13:02:00  
Hugh,

It seems we both like hitches. I built a two-point hitch for my 650 many years ago. It looks "factory" partly because I used some IH parts. It could probably lift a 6 bottom plow completely off the ground. I saved the patterns but I never had any expectations of selling additional hitches. Most people would balk at paying the freight bill even if I gave them away.

I am currently making a front mounted fast hitch for M's thru 660, wide and narrow front. Lots of cutting, forming, welding, and machining. It will look "factory" but, again, I don't expect to sell any. Even though it is the perfect solution for mounting a snowplow or buzz saw, I don't think there is a market for it. I'll post a picture in a couple of weeks.

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Wild Bill

11-20-2007 20:17:54




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to gmsuperA, 11-20-2007 18:49:56  
I think I will keep taking the cap off and looking in for that price.



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MN Scott

11-20-2007 20:09:55




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to gmsuperA, 11-20-2007 18:49:56  
Hammer handle works just fine for me and I have one in every tractor for other uses anyways.



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Steven f/AZ

11-20-2007 19:41:08




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to gmsuperA, 11-20-2007 18:49:56  
The used gauge caps with poor floats and other problems go almost that high on eBay...

Either way, they make float type gauges for snowmobiles for under $30 if you can handle having a plastic cap and something that doesn't look quite correct.



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Wardner

11-20-2007 19:39:56




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to gmsuperA, 11-20-2007 18:49:56  
I doubt if they build it from scratch. I'll bet they buy the cap from Navistar and the guage/float mechanicals from Rochester. Rochester still makes similar guages for domestic oil tanks and construction equipment. I have a Sullair portable air compressor fuel guage that is very similar.

Anyway, OEM probably has a high cost basis on the parts and then they have to modify the cap to accept the guage. On top of that, it is just an accessory that probably will find buyers who can afford it. I suggest that if you want one, wait till they put them on eBay. Everything they sell there goes for a significant reduction over their catalog prices.

I have a NOS cap/guage that is a quarter inch too long for a Cub. It should fit the next size tractor. If anybody wants it, I will put it on eBay.

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Andy Motteberg

11-20-2007 18:55:02




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to gmsuperA, 11-20-2007 18:49:56  
I just received my OEM catalog a few days ago and saw the $225 fuel gauge cap, I know that nobody makes those anymore, but I still think $225 is too high. I'd love to have one for my Farmall H, but I definitly won't pay that kind of money for one. Also, what if someone bought one of those and someone stole it??? that would be bad!



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Spook

11-20-2007 23:34:54




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 Re: gas gauge in reply to Andy Motteberg, 11-20-2007 18:55:02  
I have drooled over that gage for a couple of weeks. I bought a bunch of stuff from them, everything has been great. I am looking for Farmall H accessories. I bought a oli dip stick on ebay, and a light bar toolbox from OEM. Maybe a christmas present for me??? heh - heh!



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