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Mike CA

11-19-2007 18:55:02




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I think I made a bad purchase. I've always wanted a rain cap for my H because my Grandpa had one. It's just one of those things I remember. I found a new one for sale at the salvage yard. But it was for an AC. It fits, but it's primered. My original IH muffler is metal. So I don't think they will be good together.
Should I sell the one I bought and get mine from somewhere else? What does an original rain cap look like?

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Mike CA

11-21-2007 08:50:18




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  

Nat 2 said: Mike CA, I gotta ask: What is your "bad purchase" rain cap made from, if not metal? I must assume you mean the muffler's made from "bare" metal, while the rain cap is painted in primer, right?[/quote:90159c5733]Correct


Nat 2 said: You probably bought a rain cap with the round counterweight. Yeah, those belong on an Allis Challmers. Technically, there is no specific shape for a specific brand, just what looks aesthetically pleasing. The round counterweights just look dorky on an IH, but are right at home on an old Allis.[/quote:90159c5733]That's exactly what I got. And 'dorky' isn't what I want.
[quote:90159c5733="Nat 2"]What you're looking for is the galvanized rain cap with the wing-shaped counterweight. Your local CaseIH dealer will have them. I don't think I paid more than $10 for the last one I bought.
I'll start looking. Thanks for the tip.

[quote:90159c5733="Nat 2"]I highly doubt if you'll get more than a few dollars for your Allis rain cap, and if you paid so much for it that you need to sell it to cover the cost of another cap... You got snookered, unfortunately.
I paid $8, plus tax. I found another part I need, so I'll take the cap back and use the returned money to buy the part.

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Nat 2

11-21-2007 05:29:25




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Athol Carr, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
Mike CA, I gotta ask: What is your "bad purchase" rain cap made from, if not metal?

I must assume you mean the muffler's made from "bare" metal, while the rain cap is painted in primer, right? I think the mufflers are actually galvanized.

You probably bought a rain cap with the round counterweight. Yeah, those belong on an Allis Challmers. Technically, there is no specific shape for a specific brand, just what looks aesthetically pleasing. The round counterweights just look dorky on an IH, but are right at home on an old Allis.

The "baloney cut" muffler pipe belongs on a Massey Ferguson. They don't look right with a straight pipe and rain cap.

What you're looking for is the galvanized rain cap with the wing-shaped counterweight. Your local CaseIH dealer will have them. I don't think I paid more than $10 for the last one I bought.

I highly doubt if you'll get more than a few dollars for your Allis rain cap, and if you paid so much for it that you need to sell it to cover the cost of another cap... You got snookered, unfortunately.

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Canadian Ken

11-20-2007 21:24:51




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
I bought one for my SMTA in the mid 1990"s from TSC store here in Ontario. It had a rubber/ fibre bumper on top of the bolt that cushioned out the flapping noise at idle. My SMTA only flaps once in a while when idling. It idles so qiuet that with any other noise present , you wouldn"t know it is running.
Ken



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Bob Kerr

11-20-2007 20:49:12




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
I know your won"t sit out much and it is most likley fairly dry where you are, but one important thing you should do is clear out the rain drain hole in the manifold. It is a small hole at the bottom of the exhaust surround not far from the 1/4" pipe plug. Use a piece of wire to root around in there as rust and crud will plug it up over time. It helps to have the engine running when doing it and when it opens up a very small amount of hot gas will acually blow out that hole so watch your fingers. I always thought rain caps were neat, but after having one on the M and H they came off after a while. The H flaps bad at idle. The M flaps only once in a while. I have seen a few that had a 1/2 or 9/16 nut wedged into the weight to help it open and not flap as bad but haven"t tried it yet. Hugh is right about the wind and extra weight would make that worse. One thing I noticed while on a tractor drive the rain cap seemed to deflect some exhaust down and when I took the cap off I didn"t get a face full of fumes out on the road as bad.

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Pat-CT

11-20-2007 17:25:05




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
until i ahd to use my muffler for an emergensy repair (needed leverage) my ran cap had the IH logo stamped into the top and on the ring that clamps on the muffler mayby thats aftermarket tho?



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Steven f/AZ

11-20-2007 12:59:59




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
I prefer a bent pipe that is slash cut, just like many of the newer tractors... at least for the tractors I use.

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That "ting" is a pleasant sound that I miss since changing our gassers over to the bent slash cut pipe. Maybe that's why I like running Dad's H better than mine some days...

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edward_m

11-20-2007 12:31:49




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
Rain caps are an acquired taste: either you like them or you can't stand them.

I don't mind the sound they make at idle, partly because I rarely run my tractors at idle for any length of time. And to tell the truth, that 'ting' sound brings back fond memories of spending summer vacation on the grandparents farm.

I have caps on all my tractors as well as cans if they sit out: I've seen what happens when water gets a chance to get in an engine, and I firmly believe in redundant protection.

(and for the record, my cans all say 'Folgers' on them)

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CGtractor

11-20-2007 06:48:40




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
I like rain caps also. Put it on if that"s what you like. Many a soup can has disapeared over the winter months. I have a B farmall that has to stay out year round because its at the bottom of the totem pole. It has a rain cap plus a 5 gallon bucket inverted over the muffler. If that isn"t enough,you could bungee cord the handle of the bucket. Now if I could just figure out how water gets in the oil cup...

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dhermesc

11-20-2007 05:46:47




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
Paint it black or silver with high heat paint and mount it.



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Hugh MacKay

11-20-2007 03:02:38




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
Mike: Most likely your grampa bought the rain cap around 1960. They were around for big exhaust systems before that, I'm talking 3" and up. First rain cap I ever saw on a farm tractor was around 1960. The first new tractor I ever bought that had one was the 560 diesel in 63. The problem with rain caps on those old gassers, gas exhaust is much hotter and burns them up within a year. Also because of the lower air flow the gassers beat the crap out of the pivot.

They were much more successful on diesels, however by the turn of the century they have all but disappeared from tractors. Problem with them, they don't stay closed in high winds and rain. I've seen the wind actually holding the rain cap open and the position of the cap deflecting more water down the pipe than if it was left uncovered.

A tractor out in the open with nothing over the exhaust pipe, as long as the exhaust is tight will get very little water down the pipe. The wind current over the pipe, allows it to take in exactly the rainfall by 2" diameter on your H. Just about the same as a rain gauge. Tractors parked around trees or buildings creating wind deflections can put a lot of water down the pipe. A loose pipe in the manifold on a Farmall can put huge amounts of water down the pipe, it runs along the hood, then follows the pipe.

For these reasons, I stick with the soup can. If one forgets it one or two nights, wont hurt a thing not even in a 4" rain fall. Without the rain cap, one can find a soup can that is a snug fit and that my friend is water tight and will not blow open.

I remember once leaving my 300 and 560 on a flood plain. From history we knew this area would max out at 20" of water over the field, thus we didn't get too concerned about tractors other than the exhausts were not covered. It was 4 days before we could get to them without messing up an alfalfa stand. 9" of rain fell in the first 24 hours and another 3" over the 3 days. When I fired up the tractors, they blew a bit of black soot, not a hint of them not wanting to crank because of water in cylinders. WHY? They were on open field (no deflections) and the exhaust systems were tight.

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farmerweber in PA

11-20-2007 00:31:13




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
I know what your talking about when you say grandpa had one.I've got one on the 350 right now.One of those things that brings back memories:that pinging noise the rain cap makes when the tractor is idling,the smell of warm cow manure in the barn on a cold morning,the sound of the plunger on the baler slamming home in heavy hay.It gets in your blood and the only people who understand are the ones that know the same things.

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ScottyHOMEy

11-19-2007 20:49:45




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
The one on my SuperC used to have a label on it that said something like "Progresso Chicken and Rice -- Low Sodium" I take it as a personal challenge to try and catch it when it blows off when I start it. If I forget to take it off, it becomes sport for BHNPs who might be around to observe and note my forgetfulness, and may or may not say anything about it.

The rain caps you picked up at the IH dealer were the same ones being sold across town for orange, green, yellow tractors. Nothin' special or proprietary about 'em. If you want one, just get the right diameter for your outlet.

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skk-big red fan

11-19-2007 20:15:01




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
We still use the old soup can, just like grand-dad did. Besides its a lot of fun to go find the darn thing after you forget it was on and start the tractor.



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Wardner

11-19-2007 19:48:06




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2007 18:55:02  
I don't think you will ever find a rain cap in an IH parts book from that period.

Rain caps are aftermarket. If yours fits, use it.



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GeneMO

11-19-2007 20:33:57




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to CNKS, 11-19-2007 19:46:52  
My little D-2 cat is setting out now, which it rarely does. A Doctor Pepper can with the top cut off is for the pony motor. The concaved bottom is perfect for a small rock to weight it down. The muffler has a rain cap from Orschlens Farm and Home, the little 4 cyl diesel is so smooth it never moves.


Gene



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ddg

11-20-2007 08:40:53




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to GeneMO, 11-19-2007 20:33:57  
I used the same thing for my old D-6 pony motor, except I took my pocket knife, and sliced a big "X" in the top of the can, and jammed it down over the exhaust pipe. It fit snug that way, yet I could easily twist it up & off when not needed. (It might a actually have been a Coors can)



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CNKS

11-20-2007 05:31:17




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 Re: Muffler rain cap in reply to GeneMO, 11-19-2007 20:33:57  
I did say perfectly tuned -- But I have not seen a cap on a 4 cylinder GAS engine that did not flop at idle. Perhaps diesels are inherently smoother as far as idle rpm. 6 cyl gas is smoother also.



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