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First W4 sold in Canada

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Canadian Ken

11-15-2007 21:25:14




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I have found ,what I was told by the son the first W4 sold in Canada. I has four flat tires, has been repainted years ago, sitting in a old shed, not ran for at least 15 years. The son will not sell as long as his mother is alive. The family purchased it new off of the showroom floor at the IH dealer in London, Ontario, Canada. I will try to get some pictures of it the next time I am near the farm where it is - I will also get the serial number, I don"t know how mechanically sound it is yet.
Ken
Ontario, Canada

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Hugh MacKay

11-16-2007 05:19:38




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 Re: First W4 sold in Canada in reply to Canadian Ken, 11-15-2007 21:25:14  
Ken: That one would be a hard claim to make. W4 tractors flowed into Canada in unprecedented numbers the first 3 years of production There was such demand for Farmalls in the US, W series tractors were the ones shipped north. My dad waited the first 3 years of letter series for an H. Finally he gave up in 42 and bought a W4.

In 1939, I'll bet there were a 1,000 IH dealers across Canada, and I'll bet every one of them got a W4 in their first shipment of letter series tractors. Communication was not good enough in 1939 to determine who was first.

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Canadian Ken

11-16-2007 20:22:06




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 Re: First W4 sold in Canada in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-16-2007 05:19:38  
Thanks for the replies. Yes , I agree it is hard to believe the claim. I will stop in again and get the serial number off of the tractor and take some pictures to post on here. It would be a good project to bring back to life. I was going to stop in today, but I ran out of time. I have a 1954 Super MTA, serial - #67684 S - in excellent condition and I previously had a 1954 Super W6TA, which I sold to buy the SMTA. The W6 wasn't in good condition - Steering wore out, rear axle seals leaked, TA not working, tires shot, etc. I have always liked the W4 model, one is in a auction sale next Friday near me. Speaking of the John Deere silo unloader, I have one as well which is in good condition. I also have the tripod and winch. A friend found a NOS main auger and shield at a tractor parts/wrecking yard in NY State, probably came from a dealer closeout.
Ken

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Hugh MacKay

11-17-2007 03:09:38




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 Re: First W4 sold in Canada in reply to Canadian Ken, 11-16-2007 20:22:06  
Ken: Getting back to your W4 question and the possibility of it being the first W4 sold in Canada. That same communication factor I mentioned, making it hard to determine who may have sold the first W4, also positions London as having one of the better chances of selling the first one. Remember in the 1940s the transportation factor wouldn't have been much faster than communications. Those tractors were coming out of Chicago, and about the only spot on the Canadian map much closer would be Essex or Kent counties.

I thought about this and as you may know I'm from central Nova Scotia. My grandfather, dad and I dealt with the same IH dealer, which by the way lasted for 3 generations also. (JG Parker & Son, Truro NS. When I bought my 1066, Owen Parker mentioned how quick it was to get a new tractor in Nova Scotia in 1975 compared to when he started out as a young man with his dad in the early 40s. He told me how he and Ralph Joyce made two week round trips from Truro NS to Chicago IL with a K-5 International and 40' flat bed trailer. If they didn't go after tractors, they just didn't get tractors that far away from factory. Tractors came through the system, but it was much too slow for Owen. We had no expiry DOT tractor registration in Nova Scotia. It wasn't uncommon down there to find tractors registered for the first time, two years old according to the serial number. Very common in the 40s and 50s, my Super A for example 53 model according to serial number, not sold new until 1955.

I'm trying to find out a first and a last. Owen Parker was a mere teenager when he sold my dad a new W4 in Aug of 1942, could it have been his first sale? Within a month after I bought a new 1066 in Sept of 1975, Owen passed away, rather prematurely I might add. Could he have had a 35 year career and sold his first and last tractor on the same farm, and to the same family. Interesting, but I doubt if I ever find the answer.

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Bob Kerr

11-16-2007 21:40:04




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 Re: First W4 sold in Canada in reply to Canadian Ken, 11-16-2007 20:22:06  
Hi Ken, The unloader my friend has came from his brothers (or it might have been cousin, not sure on that) JD dealership which is one of the largest in Indiana. JD sent it out and installed it in his silo and sent people out to take photos for ads and ag press people to write articals. he said the dealership couldn"t even get one to sell for a few months after so his might have been a prototype made before the regular production. As far as I know it is still in the silo at his farm. He offered it to me for free if I took it out, but I didn"t know where I would put it or what I would even do with it once it was out. If I remember right it had the winch which was like a boat trailer winch at the bottom of the silo on the outside not far from the ladder and the tripod on top of the silo.

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Bob Kerr

11-15-2007 21:57:15




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 Re: First W4 sold in Canada in reply to Canadian Ken, 11-15-2007 21:25:14  
I remember hearing the "old timers" brag about having the first of what ever equipment. The sucsessful farmers way back usually were the progressive ones. I know a guy looking for the first production farmall regular. He said his Dad bought it and he still has the serial number and unless it was scrapped or sold out of area it should be in central Indiana. He is getting close to 90 now. I found the first John deere silo unloader sold, but I bet it aint worth much. I have also found that when some of those guys said the had the first of something, they usually reffered to the first one in the area. Hope you can get the W4. It would be a great find!

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