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F-20 Mag Levers

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Michael Hale

11-14-2007 09:38:09




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Did a 1936 F-20 have 2 levers on the steering post? Mine has one which is for the mag. On the same shaft that runs down the hood there is another linkage that goes to the govenor. No lever and the linkage doesn't move when I move the mag lever. Tractor runs and runs good. My question is what is the other linkage for and did it have a lever? Looks like there is a place for one. I see stops for it on the casting. Would like pictures of the levers and info for its use. I can send pictures of what I have. My tractor was well taken care of all original. Hardly no rust. I haven't painted it yet. I have used it on my place to pull old cars out of the weeds. I would also like to see pictures of F-20s with road gear. I have never seen one up close. Maybe later I'd like to add one to my tractor if it isn't too hard to do. Last my PTO lever is broke. It works but has a pipe slipped over it. It will probablly take an act of Congress to get the lever off the shaft. Any ideas on that and does anyone have a spare they will sell. Thanks,
Michael Hale

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LenNH

11-15-2007 08:22:44




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 Re: F-20 Mag Levers in reply to Michael Hale, 11-14-2007 09:38:09  
Talking about variable governors. IHC offered a "retro-fit" variable governor for the F-20. The notched throttle rod runs along the RIGHT side of the gas tank, instead of the LEFT as with the factory installation. Somewhere, I have a factory drawing of this rig, and will be glad to send it to you if you e-mail me. It'll be snail mail--I haven't gotten very good resolution of small-print matter when I scan it.

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Michael Hale

11-15-2007 09:46:27




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 Re: F-20 Mag Levers in reply to LenNH, 11-15-2007 08:22:44  
Please send any info you want. My address is Michael Hale 1066 Charley Miller Rd. Almo,KY 42020.



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Michael Hale

11-14-2007 22:33:51




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 Re: F-20 Mag Levers in reply to Michael Hale, 11-14-2007 09:38:09  
Tommorrow I'll look and post my serial number. Tractor has the remains of red paint on it but you can also see where it was grey so I bet someone painted it red at one time. When I ran the serial number on this site it was 1936. Engine, toolbox, frame all match. I looked at the levers again and it looks like the govenor lever was ground off. Casting is there. Its in the lower position. It also has a rod beside the gastank which is connected to the govenor. You pull it out it revs the engine like a modern tractor. So both levers are connected to the govenor. You can turn the lever mounted infront of the mag lever with some plyers. I never tried it while the tractor is running. I use the rod with the teeth in it beside the gas tank. The rods that run down the hood are all original. The cast linkages have the IHC cast in them. If my camera still works I'll shoot some pictures. I'll need some help posting them on here. I'd like to see what govenor I have. I don't plan to change it. It works for what I do with the F-20. I'd love to have any litature on the F-20s. My email is Digger42071@yahoo.com. Email me and I can send my snail mail address if you want to use that. Oh I forgot to mention that my govenor doesn't have the bellos. I'll look to see if it ever had one. I know what they looked like I once had a F-14 with one still on it. I traded the F-14 to a guy on here for the F-20. The F-14 was stuck but a rarer tractor. I'm glad I did I like the F-20 better. More HP, easy to start, wider wheelbase. This F-20 is in nice shape. Looks to be sheeded all its life and taken care of. Its seen some work because some of the holes on its drawbar are eggshaped. It has F&H roundspoke wheels.
What seat do you have on your F-20? Mine has a big spring and a shockasorber on it. It isn't too hard on my body but my 10 acre field is pretty smooth. These are duel fuel. Mine has 2 gas caps and twin fuel lines comming out of the tank. I take it you started on gas the opened up the other fuel line to burn keorsine then turned off the gas line. Mine has a gas manifold on it. Anyone run theirs on kero? I think I'll unbolt the pto lever and change it that way. I don't think I'll have an easy time getting the pin out unless I drill it. I may try to knock out the pin when I get a lever. If I cannot I'll change it the other way. This tractor came with a IHC Little Wonder plow. I'd like to try plowing this spring. Anyone have or know where I can buy a plow clevis to attach the plow to the drawbar?
Thankyou everyone for your help
Michael Hale
Oh I like to talk about F-20s and other tractors also.

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the Unforgiven

11-15-2007 06:27:06




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 Re: F-20 Mag Levers in reply to Michael Hale, 11-14-2007 22:33:51  
Chances are good that you have the variable speed governor already. The original has a rod that drops through the hood and connects to the governor linkage on the carb side right behind the fan where the link tube makes a 90 degree turn. The seat with a shock absorber is an aftermarket part, Monroe maybe? Forget about Kero, it is more trouble than it is worth, the only thing you will gain is a lot of screwing around and the ability to say you had it running on Kero. Nice to have all the hard to find equipment in place, but I would not bother running on anything but gas. 20' and 30's are my favorites. I too could go on most of the day about them, and some of it might even be correct! When my grandfather graduated from the University of NE in 1925, he came back to the farm all pumped up about the new Farmall Regular. His Dad's brother owned the bank, and would not loan him the money because "everyone knows those machines will never replace the horse". Soon Gramp did manage to buy a 15-30, and then a new F30 in '33. The only remaining part of his 30, one front wheel, is on my F30N.

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Michael Hale

11-15-2007 09:54:39




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 Re: F-20 Mag Levers in reply to the Unforgiven, 11-15-2007 06:27:06  
F-30N I take it is narrow rear wheelbase? I never seen a N. Boy a F-30 is a big tractor. I barly remenber the one we had. I remenber it was big. We had to hire someone to get it because its wheelbase wouldn't fit on dads trailer. I tried to talk dad into buying the F-12 instead of the F-30. He said we can go back and buy it later. We did many times but the owner was out. Finally caught him home and he sold the F-12. Later when I get a barn built and more money I'll see if I can add to the heard. I'd like to have a few of the F series. My F-20 is under my carport which my wife doesn't like. But she knows its old and a collectors item so she lets it be out of the weather.

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Michael Hale

11-15-2007 09:39:46




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 Re: F-20 Mag Levers in reply to the Unforgiven, 11-15-2007 06:27:06  
My serial is FA 38802. Looking at my F-20 and reading your email I have the original early govenor. Thats where my rod goes. It goes to the carb side into where the pipe makes a 90 degree and runs under the fan to the govenor. I'd probablly never find the rod with the lever for it to replace the one someone cut off but I'll look. Now I know what it does. I'll keep it in the lower position. My dad bought a Regular back in the 80s for a few hundred bucks but never moved it. I wish he did it was in a bran and great shape. At the same time he bought a F-20 & F-30 from another guy which he got moved. He never did anything with the F-20 or F-30 they were stuck but all there. Soon people kept offering money for the F-30 as they are hard to find. He sold it. He kept the F-20 for a long time. My brother and I decided we wanted to restore it. It had a neet lift. I think its lift ran off the pto. Anyway he got hard up for money and someone offered him 3 times what he paid for it so it went. I recentally saw a lift selling for 1500 so I bet thats why someone wanted it. After dad passed away I was cleaning up my place. A scrapper bought some junk I didn't want. He knew I liked old tractors. One day he called saying he picked up a steel wheel tractor and asked if I wanted it. I came over and looked at it and said yes we don't need to cut it up. So I traded it for a coffie grinder, remains of a 68 Ford pickup and a 50s gaspump. He brought it over and low and behold I had a stuck but all there F-14. I started looking for parts for my F-14 and bought a block off a collector who lives 3 hours away. I saw his collection and got to see his running F-20s. He wanted a F-14. Later he emailed me offering a trade. So I traded my F-14 and the remains of a cub I had for the F-20 with plow. True the F-14 is rarer than a F-20 but I like the F-20. My brother likes it also. I'm still learning about them. What wheels they have. Brake levers etc.. I didn't know they had different govenors or seats. I seen a picture of one with fenders. I bet they are hard to find.
We had an auction here. The guy had many F series tractors. Most were rough. I wanted his F-14 that was in the barn. It was stuck but had matching numbers. The one I had the former owner removed the tag and the engine serial number was filed off at one time in its life.
The F-14 at the auction had a 2 bottom plow that could be lifted up and down attached to it. the lift ran off the pto. Everyone went wild and bid that tractor up to almot 3 grand. Too rich for my blood. Even the rough F-20s and F-30s went high.
Michael Hale

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LenNH

11-14-2007 17:08:44




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 Re: F-20 Mag Levers in reply to Michael Hale, 11-14-2007 09:38:09  
IHC went to a variable governor in--I think--1937. The easiest way to find out, if it is important, is to go for the serial numbers. A parts book would say when the governor was changed. I may have this info and would look it up if you post a reply--assuming I can find the book, which is always a problem with a pack rat.
The original governor WAS indeed controlled by the lever nearest the steering wheel. When the lever was all the way down--"wide open" --you got full control of engine speed. Almost any position above "wide open" DID slow the engine down, but the governor didn't really do much. It is almost as primitive as the governor on James Watt's steam engines of the 18th century. I've spent hours going up hill and down dale on an F-20, pulling a very light load--a hay rake--and trying to use 3d or 4th gear just to keep the noise down. Up hill, the engine slowed way down (move the lever down enough to keep the speed up). Down hill, the engine speeded way up (move the lever up to keep the engine speed down). Most annoying.
The variable governor worked just like any of the more "modern" governors (first IHC variable on F-12, I believe). You have a range of speeds over which the governor actually works. In other words, you can use half throttle and still get the governor to control engine speed within a fairly narrow range.
The IHC variable governor had a linkage arrangement that went across the back of the engine to a notched rod to the left of the gas tank (as somebody said in one of the other letters here). Several aftermarket suppliers sold variable governor kits, but the ones I have seen, at least, don't have quite the same linkage arrangements as the IHC rig. Another obvious difference, again in the ones I have seen, is that the IHC governor had a nice bellows coming out the back of the governor, to seal the hole going into the governor housing.
The kits usually had something different--or maybe no seal at all. Been a while since I've seen this stuff up close. I'm sure somebody else can give info.
I actually have some catalogs of aftermarket parts suppliers, from the 1940s, and again, I'd look them up and send you a photo if you're interested. Haven't had much luck scanning and getting good copy, so I'd have to use snail mail.
It's no trouble, as they say. I like to talk about these old beasts, even if they did come close to ruining my kidneys and lower spine (the F-20 is a real rough rider in the field, especially on 36" tires--their outside diameter is much greater than the original steel wheels, so the tractor is quite a bit faster on rubber--I'd say nearly 4 mph in second gear, which is fairly fast in a rough field with only a little coil spring between your tail and the tractor frame. I used to love workin' 'em when I was growing up, but I wouldn't have much of a yen to do hard work hour after hour on one of these today. The H didn't really have quite as much power, and actually disappointed some farmers who had had F-20s, but it was sooooo ooooo ooo
civilized by comparison. Why, there was even a place to put your feet, the controls were pretty easy to reach, there was usually a muffler, and so on. A cousin bought a Super H after years and years of an F-20, and he described the SH as "just like a car." Well, not quite, but pretty nice by comparison.

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Nebraska Cowman

11-14-2007 15:59:34




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 Re: F-20 Mag Levers in reply to Michael Hale, 11-14-2007 09:38:09  
If you don't want to mess with trying to get the PTO lever off the shaft you can remove 4 bolts and change the whole shifter. Like was said your tractor has more than likely been changed to a variable speed governor. Unless you are real particular on having it "just like it came from the factory" you don't want to mess with it. The road gear is not too hard to install but you want to make sure you buy one from a man that knows F20s or you won't get all the pieces.

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SproutW

11-14-2007 14:31:25




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 Re: F-20 Mag Levers in reply to Michael Hale, 11-14-2007 09:38:09  
Nebraska Cowman always has a couple of pto levers lying around for sale somewhere.

http://nebraskacowman.com/



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the Unforgiven

11-14-2007 12:30:47




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 Re: F-20 Mag Levers in reply to Michael Hale, 11-14-2007 09:38:09  
Originally, it had one lever for igniton timing and the other was the throttle, almost all of them have had an aftermaket throttle linkage installed. Newer 20's used a throttle mounted on the side of the fuel tank and only one lever under the steering wheel. Drive the pin out of the bottom of the pto handle and it should come right off, a replacement should be really easy to find, I have several cadavers myself. I would venture a guess that a good Kerosene manifold and an original throttle linkage are the hardest to find F20 parts.

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