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Govenor originally safety wired?

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Mike CA

11-12-2007 19:36:08




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I was cleaning up an original dot bolt from the govenor cover on my '44 H today and realized it had a hole in the side. I looked at the rest and 4 of the 6 bolts had holes.
Were the govenor covers origianlly safety wired? If so that's fine. I can get come safety wire from work and borrow some safety wire pliers. That would be a neat addition I've never seen on an H before. I'll just have to get 2 more bolts with holes in them.

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Mike CA

11-13-2007 09:52:40




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  
hmmm, maybe I should install the anti-tampering just so I don't get any brainey ideas to try to do more to my tractor than I know how.
Basically, I should just wire up the entire H! third party image



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Hugh MacKay

11-13-2007 10:47:50




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-13-2007 09:52:40  
Mike: I don't think your quite that dangerous. That guy my dad hired, probably couldn't steer an empty wheel barrow, definitely not a loaded one.



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D Slater

11-13-2007 06:19:10




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  
All the ones I remember used a bolt with hole in it for the wire. One in the throttle housing that bolts on top of governor housing and one in the cover. Wire with seal was through those two.



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Gauger

11-13-2007 06:11:16




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  
Pilot Knob in Illinois sells the wire with the lead seal for a couple bucks. I don't think they have a website but somebody should be able to provide a phone number. I have a catalog at home, email me if you like.



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Hugh MacKay

11-13-2007 03:21:33




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  
Mike: Anti tampering wire, all Farmalls of that era had it. If it was tampered with, you were unlikely to get any warrenty. The A and C have an external bolt for adjusting governed speed, that one plus one of the governor housing bolt had the wire.

I remember my dad asking the IH dealer if they could get same type screws for carburator and timing setting. He had an employee that liked adjusting things, didn't know very much, but he never figured most tractors worked just right. This guy had worked at neighbors, a semi retired couple that let him go unregulated. Once per week the owner would tow him, non running 8N, behind his pickup to Ford dealer. Two hours later he'd drive back tractor adjusted and running. The couple retired, dad rented the farm and more or less inherited the bone head helper. First day on the job, dad told him if I ever catch you adjusting carburator, timing advance, governors, etc. on my Farmalls, I'll cut off your fingers. It must have worked, we never had very much trouble. He did try getting the blessing of my brothers and I, by complaining about the tractor he may be driving, never worked, we always reminded him what dad had told him. Dad soon farmed him off to another employer by saying his boys were getting old enough thus we didn't need him.

I think North American farms operated with a lot of that type of help, basically not capable of operating much more than a wheel barrow, but you let them have a tractor job once in a while, nothing very sophisticated. I remember once asking this labor guy I hired for haying, can you drive a tractor? Yep was his answer. I said take that 300 and side delivery rake and follow the rest of these guys to a field 2 miles up the road. This was not an exceptionally heavy travelled road, but it did have blind spots and log trucks. I watched as this guy crossed traffic with 300 and rake in low gear, one loaded log truck narrowly missing him. I yelled, "Mike, you and George take the pickup, catch him and take that tractor away from him."

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Athol Carr

11-12-2007 23:58:08




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  
I looked at the governor housing of my 1941 W-4 and two of the cap screws have holes through the the heads. I have never seen a tractor with the lock wires (or photographs showing them either) but then I did not start looking at such details until the tractors were getting on in years, so maybe they were removed during servicing.



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john *.?-!.* cub owner

11-12-2007 20:25:40




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Nat 2, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  

Janicholson said: (quoted from post at 23:09:16 11/12/07) Well Scotty,

Our SH has the wire on it to this day. And it has not been touched. The wire is a fine 28 gauge inconel (or some other rust free soft alloy) and was a twisted pair through the holes. not to prevent backing out, but to prevent tampering. Just information, JimN
If you remove the wire, you will void the warranty. third party image

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brandonf

11-12-2007 20:19:44




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  
safety wire makes sense with 2 bolts, I mean if I farmed back then I sure would respring it and lighten the weights, that motor only needs bigger push tubes and valve springs for 3 grand.. that would be farming



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Mike CA

11-12-2007 20:07:16




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  
Actually, next time I visit a junk yard I was going to get a cover and bolts for the extra govenor I had so I could sell it as a complete unit.



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ScottyHOMEy

11-12-2007 20:02:51




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  
Whoa, there, hoss!

This is a 152 in a Farmall H, not some souped-up Lycoming in a bush plane. And it sure ain't an ETD.

I'm not sure what you're looking at for holes in the bolts, but there's a lot of things on an engine that would be safety-wired before the ones anchoring the governor. Whatever the holes are, they weren't for a sfaety wire rig.

I'd say put them back where you found them, and put off the search for two more like them. Got a feeling you'd be looking for a long time.

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Janicholson

11-12-2007 20:09:16




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 11-12-2007 20:02:51  
Well Scotty,
Our SH has the wire on it to this day. And it has not been touched. The wire is a fine 28 gauge inconel (or some other rust free soft alloy) and was a twisted pair through the holes. not to prevent backing out, but to prevent tampering. Just information, JimN



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ScottyHOMEy

11-12-2007 20:14:47




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Janicholson, 11-12-2007 20:09:16  
Yep, Jim. The other posts appeared below while I was typing mine.

The anti-tampering would make more sense to me than a safety wire. I remember hearing about how Jaguar used to use wire seals on the covers for their fuel adjustments. I say "heard about" because a Jag was far out of the league of anything I was working on in my teen years. ;8^)

But why four? When one would suffice?



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Janicholson

11-12-2007 19:53:50




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  
I have seen them wired with a little lead seal on the twist. Not all the bolts were wired, so that may be why some are not drilled. JimN



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Bob

11-12-2007 19:53:21




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 Re: Govenor originally safety wired? in reply to Mike CA, 11-12-2007 19:36:08  
They would have been wired, then sealed with a crimped-on lead seal to prevent tampering with the factory-set speeds.

IIRC, sort of a braided wire was used, rather than the typical mechanic's "safety wire" you seem to have in mind.



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