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Red Power Piston Domes, Crooked??? Long Post...

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scott#2

11-10-2007 17:24:11




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I just bolted up the rods in this 123 ci engine and noticed that the flat side of the dome tops of these pistons arent exactly parallel to the edge of the block, all of them vary to some degree in the amount of cock compared to the edge of the block, but on #1, its really off. It wouldn't bother me that much except that #1 piston was the one that came apart and caused the rebuild to begin with. He sent the rods out and the old bushings were left in as they wern't that bad. All the big ends were ground and rebored, basicaly because we needed to see if there was any damage to the one rod. Before he sent them to the shop, I checked them for twist on a granite surface plate with a .0005 indicator and didn't detect any twist or abnormalities.

I would think, that because of the large amount that this one pistons dome runs crooked to the edge of the block, if the rod was twisted that bad, it should have rocked on the surface plate or at least shown up on the indicator It's about 1/4" off, at least an 1/8" farther off or more crooked than the other domes, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Side play is still close to wear limits and the other rods, so I know the shop didnt bore the rod heavily to straighten it out and then grind the sides.

Now I am wondering whether the casting on these red power pistons just vary in this manner (crooked), or was the pin hole in the piston bored crooked or is there a problem that still exists somewhere on #1 that caused the original piston to fail to begin with.

Anyone ever noticed the domes on the RP pistons not being uniformly straight to the edge of the block. Any ideas? I sure would like to get this thing out of my shop before too long.

Thank You and sorry for the long post,

scott#2

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Scott Rukke

11-12-2007 19:45:21




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 Re: Red Power Piston Domes, Crooked??? Long Post... in reply to scott#2, 11-10-2007 17:24:11  
Having never re-built a farmall engine this may be a dumb question. Aren't the connecting rods directional and is it posible the pistons were installed backwards on them or the rods are backwards on the crank?



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Janicholson

11-11-2007 16:05:13




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 Re: Red Power Piston Domes, Crooked??? Long Post... in reply to scott#2, 11-10-2007 17:24:11  
Photo them from over head and send the photo with the request for more info. I do not like the idea of anywhere that much difference in the casting. Your process and measurement seems very correct and conservative. Do not settle for trash in a new engine it will bother you for a long time. JimN



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scott#2

11-11-2007 17:29:13




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 Re: Red Power Piston Domes, Crooked??? Long Post... in reply to Janicholson, 11-11-2007 16:05:13  
third party image

Here are some pics, I also reposted up top under whats going on here?

Thanks



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Bob Kerr

11-11-2007 19:45:35




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 Re: Red Power Piston Domes, Crooked??? Long Post... in reply to scott#2, 11-11-2007 17:29:13  
Not sure if this will matter, but does the angle of the domes change when the piston is at BDC? Also did you check the crank and make sure it isn"t bent or twisted at a journal? I have not seen many bent cranks outside of a destroyed racing engine but do know it can happen. Forged steel cranks can bend as well as break. I have seen a rod in an F-30 bent into a horseshoe and not break. I bet the crank in that engine was affected. It happened from one cyl being full of water and they tried to pull start it. I would roll the engine over and see if the piston twists in the bore on its way down.

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clint315

11-11-2007 11:36:51




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 Re: Red Power Piston Domes, Crooked??? Long Post... in reply to scott#2, 11-10-2007 17:24:11  
if i were you i would call whomever you purchased the kit from and have them get ahold ofred power.



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teddy52food

11-11-2007 06:35:40




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 Re: Red Power Piston Domes, Crooked??? Long Post... in reply to scott#2, 11-10-2007 17:24:11  
I don't know anything about those pistons. I would lay the head on without a gasket and turn it over and see if it hits. If not it should be good to go.



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