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Carden

11-07-2007 14:53:50




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With the new axle bearing stopping the leak so well, i"ve decided to change the gear oil. I bought 80/90, 15 gallons (what! $57 for a 5 gallon pail!) It has been suggested to run kerosene through the tractor after draining the old stuff to get any leftover gunk out. Anyone done or heard of this?




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Sagebrusher

11-08-2007 07:26:35




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 Re: 'M'ore tranny help in reply to Carden, 11-07-2007 14:53:50  
Carden, THis summer went through this with a "50 M that was my friend"s main tractor. It"s motor was upgraded to SM specs and it has a BUNCH of hours on it. It spent its entire life under cover unless it was working. Anyway, I started to replace the outer axle bearings and seals but decided to go ahead and do the PTO at the same time as that bearing was just a bit rough too and the seal was seeping a little. It came out really easy, allowed a good inspection/clean out point and I was able, eventually to change the inside axle bearings through the hole. Glad I pulled the PTO as there was at least an inch of semi-solid "Crud" left in the bottom of the housing AFTER I had tried to flush it. I also found parts and peices of the inside right axle bearing. Everything I do takes two or three times as long as I think it should and costs two or three times as much as I would like to pay. . .

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glennster

11-07-2007 18:51:02




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 Re: 'M'ore tranny help in reply to Carden, 11-07-2007 14:53:50  
i use kerosene to flush them too. if the tractor is a runner and a driver, do like scotty said, drain some out and add kerosene. anywhere from 3-5 gallons is fine. then run the tractor around without a load on it for a half hour or so. wouldnt hurt to run in each gear for a little. that will stir up the oil and thin it. then drain the oil. sometimes you need to dig around in the drain hole with a piece of wire to get the goo loose so it drains. i will at this point flush it a few times with 5 gallons of kerosene. when you pour it thru, strain the kerosene with a paint straining funnel and use it again. when done let it drip for half a day, then refill with gear lube.

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Carden

11-07-2007 18:19:01




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 Re: 'M'ore tranny help in reply to Carden, 11-07-2007 14:53:50  
So you"re saying to take ONLY 3 gallons out and add kerosene? Would it hurt to empty it TO 3 gallons and then add the kerosene? It"s "lots"o creamer" coffee color right now.



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ScottyHOMEy

11-07-2007 19:42:07




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 Re: 'M'ore tranny help in reply to Carden, 11-07-2007 18:19:01  
I'd advise against it. First, if you've got sludge in there, you have no way of knowing where the three gallons you want is. Start at full and take twelve out, you might have 11 qts of hard sludge (really!) and one of oil left. Second, you want to avoid running anything like straight kerosene -- it will have the desired solvent effect but will be too thin to scour. about 1/3 kero will flow about like 30 or 40 weight oil in there and do what you want it to

glennster's post above has got the proportions and the process pretty well covered. Stick with that, and you'll accomplish what you want to do.

As a sidenote to what glennster said about making a wire loop to dig out sludge -- I dug more than a quart of hard dry sludge out through the drain of my BN tranny (five QUART capacity, thank you very much!), before it ever started to drain and and got another quart of lumpy stuff while it was draining. It was low from leaking anyway, so it was probably 50% sludge in there. It got opened up and a good cleaning, but I tell the story just to reinforce the point that you can't always gauge how much oil is left by how much you drain out in a case like that.

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ScottyHOMEy

11-07-2007 15:09:10




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 Re: 'M'ore tranny help in reply to Carden, 11-07-2007 14:53:50  
BTDT.

What I'd say is that there isn't much advantage to running kerosene with your new oil. That would be a waste. IH used to recommend thinning the gear oil with kerosene in cold weather, so you're not going to hurt anything. I always feared, though, that running straight kerosene for any length of time would just open up new leaks. Perhaps an unfounded fear.

Were it mine . . . I'd drain about three/three-and-a-half gallons of the old out, and replace it with kerosene. Run it around for a while, long enough for it to warm up some, making sure to use each of your gears, and have your PTO running for at least part of the time.

Drain while warm, then refill with your new.

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Janicholson

11-07-2007 16:05:17




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 Re: 'M'ore tranny help in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 11-07-2007 15:09:10  
Good advice! JimN



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