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Pat-CT

11-05-2007 04:37:55




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im so confused as to what to use for paint for my 1949 H ive herd the paint for ih is good but its more of an orage then the orignal color and i dont want the tractor looking like a pumpkin its not a prefessional restoration so i dont want to spend 200 dollars for a gallon of paint ither


what should i use?!?!?!?!?!




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Mike CA

11-05-2007 21:35:09




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 Re: paint confusion in reply to Pat-CT, 11-05-2007 04:37:55  
Good info. Thanks. Just so you know, I'm not painting my tractor in my garage. I'm either painting it at a paint place, or at a member of my tractor club who restores tractors professionally. Probably the latter.



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Pat-CT

11-05-2007 18:06:58




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 Re: paint confusion in reply to Pat-CT, 11-05-2007 04:37:55  
scotty where is that that you got that paint my emails open



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Mike CA

11-05-2007 09:56:39




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 Re: paint confusion in reply to Pat-CT, 11-05-2007 04:37:55  
CNKS,

In your experience, what is the "best" paint brand to go with for a show tractor? I'll figure out the color (thanks for the codes), but what I want is brilliance in the paint, and very long wear. I want to paint it right once with multiple coats and clear coat to protect it, and I want that to last for years and years. I know PPG and DuPont as good paints, but I don't know if there is anything that puts one over the other. Or is there an even better brand out there?

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CNKS

11-05-2007 18:14:07




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 Re: paint confusion in reply to Mike CA, 11-05-2007 09:56:39  
I use PPG, have never used DuPont. But they are likely equivalent and a matter of personal preference to those who have used both. The description you gave for what you want leads to base coat-clear coat, the same system that is used on new cars. BUT, in your situation, meaning a garage and limited space, you should use either Case-IH 2150 or unhardened acrylic enamel. The best gloss occurs with hardened paint. The hardener contains isocyanates, which are the nastiest chemicals you can breathe, considering health effects. You should/MUST use a supplied air system, not a charcoal mask to protect your lungs, as you can get sick with only one exposure to them (almost happened to me. Also, your neighbors, if close, are likely to complain about the smell. Iso's themselves have no odor, but if they check around and find out what iso's are, you could be in trouble. I use hardener, but I have the proper protective equipment and no close neighbors. All that aside, it is not the brand, but the type of paint. Types from worst to best are alkyd enamel (TSC, etc), acrylic modified alkyd enamel (Case-IH), unhardened acrylic enamel, hardened acrylic enamel, acrylic urethane single stage, acrylic urethane base coat-clear coat. The urethanes will not cure without hardener. Your experience and technique are going to have more effect than the type of paint you use. There are many people on the paint and body work forum on this site that can answer your questions. Also, CA has many more restrictions on what body shops can use (don't know about hobbiests) than any other state, you might check and see what the rules in CA are.

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scotty

11-05-2007 09:42:18




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 Re: paint confusion in reply to Pat-CT, 11-05-2007 04:37:55  
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Hey Pat, Let me confuse you a little more :") Here is a picture of one of my Farmalls, 1949 Super A I finished a little over a year ago. The paint came from #alu-#ilt tractor $9.99 a quart. It looks as good now as when I did it, but to be fair about it, it is only outside sometimes ! CNKS and the others gave you good advice, your probablly better off spending a bit more for a quality paint, but you can get a nice job using cheaper stuff also !

scotty

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dhermesc

11-05-2007 11:18:33




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 Re: paint confusion in reply to scotty, 11-05-2007 09:42:18  
I painted my 350 in 1999 and it still looks very nice. Took it almost a year for the paint to really "harden". The guy I had spray the sheet metal was actually surprised by how well the Rustoleum went on and looked when done. I brushed the castings with a varnish brush and I thinks it looks comparable to what what a lot of guys spend over a $1000 to get.


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I would avoid using the rattle cans, they seem to fade a lot faster than what came from the quart cans.

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dhermesc

11-05-2007 08:09:28




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 Re: paint confusion in reply to Pat-CT, 11-05-2007 04:37:55  
My very amature advice:

You need to make sure you get the "right" IH paint. All dealerships carry IH "red" paint for the later CASE IH models - that is the orange color you are hearing about.

If they are a "good" dealership (my local dealership isn't) they will also have at least two additional colors - one for 1960s (1970s?) and older tracors (I forget the specific year) and one for the late 1960s (1970s?) to 1982 or so (again I know I'm not entirely correct on year). Those two reds are so close in color I can't tell the differance but I'm sure it would show up if you stopped with one can and started with another on the same peice of equipment.

The two "older" reds are very close in color. The "white" color has similar (same?) age breaks.

If you are buying off the shelf at TSC do not buy JI Case IH red - that has the orange hint in the color. The color should only state International Red.

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CNKS

11-05-2007 08:25:04




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 Re: paint confusion in reply to dhermesc, 11-05-2007 08:09:28  
Excluding the "new" tractor paints, there were 4 colors. IH 50, 1937-mid 1949; IH 1102, mid 1949-1958; IH 201, 1958-1961; IH 2150, 1961-up. Case IH sells 2150. I do not know if PPG/DuPont, etc codes exist for 1102 and 201. IH 50 is PPG 70093/DuPont 7410; 2150 is PPG 71310/DuPont 96766. I have no clue what shade the tractor store paints are, as they are mostly junk, anyway. All I have used is PPG 71310, definite orange tint, toners can be changed to get closer to the "correct" color, less orange, more red. As far as I am concerned, due to different manufacturing processes, etc, the IH origninal colors do not exist any more.

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El Toro

11-05-2007 05:16:32




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 Re: paint confusion in reply to Pat-CT, 11-05-2007 04:37:55  
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Here's a tractor painted with Martin Senour's
CrossFire polyurethane paint. I think the owner told me it's the IH-2150 paint number. Napa auto parts can give you an idea what a gallon sells for
probably in the $125.00 range, but that doesn't include hardener or thinner. Hal

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