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Problem found with 130

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EZ

11-01-2007 19:34:34




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Well my 130 has a problem for sure. Inside the transmission. It looks like the transmission oiler gear has a lot of broken teeth. Some of the teeth are laying in the bottom and some are actually caught up in the gear itself and this is what is causng the tractor to "lock up" and make alot of noise. So..... .now the questions are, will I have to do a rear split? How much of a job to replace this gear? What else should I do while I"m in there? Any tips or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Of note, there was some water that came out while draining, hard to say how much, maybe 10oz. also, there was about 2 gallons or more of fluid. The manual says 4 quarts, so obviously way too much. Wondering if maybe the water froze and while trying to move tractor in the spring I broke those teeth?

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Hugh MacKay

11-02-2007 03:07:19




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 Re: Problem found with 130 in reply to EZ, 11-01-2007 19:34:34  
Ed: I certainly wouldn't take the transmission apart because of the over filling and possible water in there. Yes, agree water is hard on bearings, however the water oil mix will do little damage. One possible exception if the tractor has been parked for years, and even then water settles on the bottom.

Over the years I worked a lot these old Farmalls that sat outside 8 months of the year. We were always fighting the water in transmission problem. Condensation is a factor, however rain water running down the gear shift lever will put a lot of water in there in just one over night rainfall. Take my own tractors for example, hadn't sat outside in the past 5 years, I know all were very little above the full mark. During my recent move the tractor sat out in two heavy rains, and I see they are each about 1/2 gallon over full now. I will drain them before winter. I couldn't begin to count the time I've found my SA, 130, 300 and 560 filled with water, I even cut the 300 and 560 shift levers off to H-M specs, so they wouldn't collect as much water. That old 300, got to have 25,000 hours on it by now 560 went 11,000 plus and my 130 must have 8-9,000 hours. My SA is very low hour, however none of those tractors have ever had transmissions apart due to water damage.

I think I would fix the oil slinger gear, it doesn't take a lot of idling time for items to get dry up top. This too depends quite a bit on your use. I use my tractor quite bit on stationary pto work. My thoughts if you start plowing snow some night when it's close to -40 up there, you decide to go inside, get a bit of warmth into your body, it's going to be awfully nice to leave the 130 idling.

Ed, I didn't run across anyone heading into Ohio. I guess the folks I know, don't see any bargains stateside, with Canadian dollars. I do see bargains myself, however it would take more money than I'm prepared to spend, buying them all. Way I have it figured, those bargains will filter across in time, and I'm in no rush. Certainly not in enough of a rush to spend 4 hours border time and $50. worth of gas to save $150. I always considered one should be paid lawyer rates for border wait time, either direction.

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Andy in Ohio

11-01-2007 20:10:58




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 Re: Problem found with 130 in reply to EZ, 11-01-2007 19:34:34  
More than likely the water "starved" a bearing or 2 of lubrication causing failure in your trans.. You may be able to find a donor tractor to take parts out of, or check the local parts yards. That water may have done more damage than you think once you get into it. I am not sure but a super A trans. may work also. Someone on here will know for sure, but that would probably be easier to find. Good luck

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EZ

11-01-2007 20:07:01




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 Re: Problem found with 130 in reply to EZ, 11-01-2007 19:34:34  
Hmmmm.....I was just going through some of the archives and found a bunch of info there. I read where alot of people did not bother to change the gear. I now know why I could not pick up any of the peices with a magnet, the gear is made of pot metal! Looks like it could be a huge job to replace anyway. A few guys talk about busting off the rest of the teeth and just leaving the gear in. Sounds like the only time it is crucial to have it meshed is while you are in neutral to make sure oil is being slung around for the bearings. While working or travelling the other gears would be turning and slinging oil anyway. Not sure I want to get into this big job at all if it can be avoided. I wonder how many tractors are out there being sold with a non-working oiler gear? Sounds like there could be quite a few. Any comments would be appreciated.

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scotty

11-02-2007 10:29:23




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 Re: Problem found with 130 in reply to EZ, 11-01-2007 20:07:01  
Hi Ed, Those darn pot metal gears just seem to fall apart over time. I would lean towards what Hugh said, and even if you want pull the cover off the transmission and claen everything out good with kero, put new gear oil in and try it out. I would think all the smaller pieces would come out the drain hole. The bigger pieces will stay put on the bottom of the case ! Good to hear you an !


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EZ

11-02-2007 15:46:33




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 Re: Problem found with 130 in reply to scotty, 11-02-2007 10:29:23  
scotty, I also read that this gear is not splined, but is spun by the reverse idler, some have even somehow wired it in place so it would not move (with no teeth or most of the teeth missing of course) I really can't see myself getting into a big job on this one just yet. I don't hardly use it, I think I have about 2 miles on it! But I'm waiting to get a snow blade as I would like to try it out this winter. The work sounds like major. I'm confident I could do it, but not sure I want to tie up my garage if I run into more problems. gotta flush out the tranny now and take a better look.

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