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F-20 My new Purchase! What about a road Gear?

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Linemanfarmer

10-24-2007 05:20:26




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Hey guys, I won a F-20 at an auction monday, runs good, looks good, it has an older restoration, new tires all around. Everyone told me that the 4th gear F-20s would fly and the 3rd gears were for steel. Well I fly about 4 mph if that. I was hopeing someone new of a high and low for the transmission or something that would get me up to that top speed that I have heard about. Id like to take in on a tractor drive but not at a speed like that. Mabey I do have a higher speed and just don't know where to find it on there but If you guys know where I could get an after market or other kinda deal to get me going faster.

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Derek

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the Unforgiven

10-24-2007 05:45:30




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 Re: F-20 My new Purchase! What about a road Gear? in reply to Linemanfarmer, 10-24-2007 05:20:26  
Congrats Derek! F20's are one of my all-time favorites. The road gear is pretty easy to find, I personally don't like them so it seems most of the dead ones I drag home have had it. Most of them are a road gear only, you put the transmission in nuetral, engage the road gearbox, and hang on! The neatest one in my mind is the Heisler 8-speed box, it is an auxillary that works with the main transmission to give you four more gears on the top side. I have one on my good 20, it's pretty cool but it is a lot more work to install. The Heisler would be the hot set-up for tractor drives. I have never seen a high-low style, only high. Just look around a little and you should be able to find a road gear, there are a lot of them out there. You have not missed anything, only 4 speeds, about four mph in fourth. There is a poster on here that I am sure has several of them, I would be a little surprised if he doesn't contact you. Enjoy!

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Nebraska Cowman

10-24-2007 05:40:05




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 Re: F-20 My new Purchase! What about a road Gear? in reply to Linemanfarmer, 10-24-2007 05:20:26  
F20s had an optional high speed transmission and 4th was 7.7 MPH. I have a couple of those if you want to do some switching. Otherwise there was an aftermarket road box where you locked the main transmission out in neutral and ran the power straight trough on the bottom shaft.



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Len Rahilly

10-24-2007 09:42:47




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 Re: F-20 My new Purchase! What about a road Gear? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-24-2007 05:40:05  
As Nebraska Cowman says, IHC offered an optional fourth gear that gave about 7 mph. Great speed for hauling loaded wagons on country roads. The regular fourth on 36" rear tires would probably give about 5.5 mph. When people began putting rubber on these tractors in the mid-30s, they could choose to put on a tire that had about the same outside diameter as the original steel wheels (40" diameter), thus keeping the speeds close to the speeds on steel. The trouble with this was that the rims would not clear the brake drums, and the wheels had to be turned out all the time. VERY wide and probably clumsy in some of the circumstances that come up on farms, where you want to work in close quarters. The other choice was 36" rims, which DID clear the drums, but gave a much larger outside diameter (I estimate 48" or thereabouts). The result was a big increase in ground speeds. Again, estimates: First, nearly 3 mph, second, nearly 4 mph, third about 4-1/2 mph, and fourth, between 5 and 6 mph. The factory listed speeds on steel as 2-1/4, 2-3/4, 3-1/4 and 3-3/4 mph, so you can see that the 36" tires gave quite an increase. It is interesting that on rubber, the tractor would pull the same load at about 4 mph in second as it was supposed to pull in second (or sometimes, third) on steel. Steel wheels waste enormous amounts of engine power--this is why the early tractors always listed the rated drawbar horsepower as about 1/2 belt power (10-20, 15-30, and so on).
I never had any experience with the aftermarket overdrives, like the Heisler, so can't advise on that. If they really did give high road speeds, I'd want d.....d good foot brakes, so I could slow both wheels at the same time. If you have only that single brake lever on the left side, and give it a good yank at high speeds, you can expect the tractor to veer to the left. I have seen an add-on right brake lever, but I don't know whether it was an IHC part or an aftermarket part. In any case, it would be real fun to steer and still use both hands to pull on the brake levers! This tractor is a big and heavy brute, and needs to be treated a little like you'd treat a young bull full of testosterone.
Afterthought: The factory road gear reversed the positions of third and fourth, as I remember.
Where the original fourth gear was between first and second (back toward the driver), with the factory road gear, fourth was low and forward and third was between low and second. Anybody who has seen one of these lately, correct me if my memory is not right on this.
Spent over 10 years of my misspent youth driving what I thought of back then as state-of-the-art, but what are now antiques: 10-20, "Regular" Farmall, F-20, F-12. I remember them fondly, but
I also remember how uncomfortable, rough and noisy most of them were. The F-12 on rubber was the most comfortable of the lot, especially because the seat did not hang out the back like a see-saw. The Farmall and F-20 both required a firm hand on the wheel in rough ground, because they would whip the wheel right out of your hand if the front wheels dropped into a furrow. The iron steering wheel was like a flywheel, and, I think, amplified the kickback from the front wheels.

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Farmallgray

10-27-2007 10:54:53




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 Re: F-20 My new Purchase! What about a road Gear? in reply to Len Rahilly, 10-24-2007 09:42:47  
I don"t know with what size tires/wheels that 7.7
MPH rating was for but it must have been with the 40" steel wheels. I have a "39 with cast wheels and 36" tires (factory fast fourth gear)and it is MUCH faster than 8 MPH at wide open throttle. I have never clocked it but I would guess 12-15 MPH at least. It can also depend on what size 36" tires are on it. IIRC mine has 10-36 (12.4-36) which would be a lot taller than than an 8-36 or a 9-36.

I know that 2 gears changed position with the fast fourth, but I can"t remember which two at the moment.

The right hand brake was an optional attachment from IH, but there may have been aftermarket ones available too.

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CNKS

10-25-2007 17:50:51




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 Re: F-20 My new Purchase! What about a road Gear? in reply to Len Rahilly, 10-24-2007 09:42:47  
"Steel wheels waste enormous amounts of engine power--this is why the early tractors always listed the rated drawbar horsepower as about 1/2 belt power (10-20, 15-30, and so on)."

I have wondered about the HP ratings of the early tractors. But, with my dad's H, we used skeleton steel for cultivation, and rubber for tillage. If we needed to do tillage and cultivate, we did the tillage with steel rather than constantly changing the wheels. With the same load, I never noticed any difference. Theoretically the 11-38 rubber tires should pull more than the narrow steel, but I never noticed it. Same implement, same gear with both types of wheel.

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the Unforgiven

10-24-2007 05:50:42




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 Re: F-20 My new Purchase! What about a road Gear? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-24-2007 05:40:05  
You beat me to the punch NC, I assumed you had a few lying around.



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