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685, 684, 674 hydraulic plumbing

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karl f

10-24-2007 00:39:42




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am i correct in assuming that the simplified hydraulic flow chart for these machines is pump>mcv, divided^>3pt lift>auxilary valves>mcv
?? and the aux valves, if installed, would feed from the back from the lift housing and return to the external tube(s)?
the cih parts site illustration is confusing, it calls one of the longer lines connected to the mcv "mcv bypass" but the shorter lines connected to it "return." I am trying to make an improvement to the road/brush mowing 685, as the setup now has the mower lift controls crudely tapped in series into one of the mcv lines (bottom if i recall right) and snaking about 10 ft of hose 2x under the tractor to be dragged and caught on all kinds of objects. with the low clearance of 24" tires, tying them up isn't much better. What i want to do is eliminate as much uneccessary hose as possible. the tractor does not have remote valves, but with the existing cih plumbing and the mower lift valve design being power beyond, i see a possible way to simplify it without spending a lot.

right now if my flow chart is correct, the mower valve is plumbed so that it returns working pressure to the hydraulic system in neutral, but none when actuated, it dumps the return oil to tank. have not put many hours on it, but my dad was complaining of steering loss occaisionally, possibly when operating the mower lift valve. Since the complaint, i changed the filter, but weather was not cooperative to try it out. At any rate, I just don't like the crude plumbing and the hoses extra vulnerable.

let me know if i'm on the right track, and i'll tell/ask more
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karl f

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Fromjb2

10-24-2007 14:26:20




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 Re: 685, 684, 674 hydraulic plumbing in reply to karl f, 10-24-2007 00:39:42  
Karl, hydraulic flow chart for these machines is pump>mcv, divided^>3pt lift>auxilary valves>>depth control>mcv.
The normal method of adding a loader or external hydraulic control valve is to remove the aux valve return pipe (685 Case-IH parts 8-406 item #18) and connect the pressure/inlet side of the remote valve at the elbow #11 on item #7 and connect the return pipe to the male connector that the original pipe was connected to. Parts 8-380 item #37. Some of the newer tractors have a female cap on the side of the transmission just behind your right calf. This female cap can be taken off and used to cap of the male connection on item #37 and the return line can go on where the female cap was removed from.

To work on this the complete platform will have to be lifted on the 3pt hitch control side. This is not as big a job as it sounds but have to lift it straight up until it clears all the control levers and then block up with some wood.
It is a two person job unless you have an engine hoist or other like equipment.

Hope this is as clear as hydraulic oil.
JimB

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karl f

10-24-2007 19:38:14




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 Re: 685, 684, 674 hydraulic plumbing in reply to Fromjb2, 10-24-2007 14:26:20  
thanks jimb. little bit clear. will refer to images. this tractor actually has no aux valves so i have to modify the instructions. there is a HUGE banjo fitting and hollow bolt where the valve assembly would be and connects to the pipe 37. there is a cap where 38 would connect to 37. the banjo fitting can be seen as #4 in 6-276. neat how the base tractor rear cover looks like a 70s ford product in that illustration and 6-274. will study some and wait for more or post back for input.

back to illustration 8-380: the current set up has the supply hose at the mcv where 36 should be, and the return work oil hose to 36 (cylinder return is dumped to the filler plug). i don't like that, and want to mimic the normal setup as much as possible until we are done using it as a brush mowing rig and want to convert it to a regular tractor. interestingly enough, it has a working rockshaft with liftarms and all the flow and draft control valves. that mower company's modern tractor/mower combos are no longer stripped down like that, and allow the tractor to be utilized in other ways.

i know the serial number is after 18001, since the castings for the non 4x4 access covers match that newer design. the correct valves for that ser. no actually would have power beyond built into the attaching plate. but i'm sure older parts will fit as long as they are swapped as assemblies vs components.

thanks for your help
karl f

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karl f

10-24-2007 20:50:39




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 Re: 685, 684, 674 hydraulic plumbing in reply to karl f, 10-24-2007 19:38:14  
just to carify some more, without aux valves, i have a substitute fitting where #7 8-406 is. it's what i call a banjo fitting, and it is attached with a hollow bolt, and it's attatched to # 37 8-380. there is no #38/18.

i should be able to open where that fitting and #37 connect, and supply the external valve's input there, and put the pressure return to #37. if that is correct, i still have a question.
should the cylinder return from the external valve be dumped to tank or the fitting where pipe 38/18 is attached to #37?

thanks. karl f

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Fromjb2

10-25-2007 18:53:21




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 Re: 685, 684, 674 hydraulic plumbing in reply to karl f, 10-24-2007 20:50:39  
Hi Karl, yes inlet to remote valve would be from the from the banjo fitting and outlet could either go to tank filler hole or the fitting on #37. I am assuming it is a simple remote valve or has it an inlet, outlet and a dump outlet(used on front end loaders to control the drop speed)?
If it has the dump outlet, then dump outlet to tank filler and out to fitting on #37.

Hope this helps
JimB

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