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farmall 100 loose steering

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smigelski

10-23-2007 09:09:26




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I just got a farmall 100, the steering is very loose. When I try to travel in 3rd or 4th gear the front tires go back and forth so bad you can't steer it. Where do I start to fix this problem




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Hugh MacKay

10-24-2007 05:00:24




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 Re: farmall 100 loose steering in reply to smigelski, 10-23-2007 09:09:26  
Smigelski: I use a wee bit different approach than scotty. If there is no end to end movement on steering shaft and if there is no roughness when turning the steering wheel, your steering shaft, bearings and worm are fine, and I wouldn't touch the big acorn nut-plug. I've been tinkering with these close to 50 years, have never had a steering shaft out of the steering box.

Most steering wheel free travel occurs on the vertical shaft. The steering control arm fits on tapered portion of shaft, held there by a bit nut just above the axle. That can be loose. The shaft is keyed to the control arm with a woodruff key. Inside the steering box the half gear is also keyed to that same shaft by another woodruff key. Usually those two woodruff keys are the problem. If in bad enough condition the keys can give close to a turn and half free travel on steering wheel. Quite often one will find the keyways on the shaft are damaged. These parts are quite expensive to buy used and when I did my last one new parts were not available. I think the aftermarket is turning out new shaft, maybe gear and control arm. Either way these parts will run you $500.

On my last two the gear and control arm looked quite good but the shaft keyway was close to 50% larger at surface and tapered to the bottom of keyway. I took larger woodruff keys and ground them to a hydraulic press fit for the gear. The big nut will draw the control arm on. I looked at these shafts as being toast anyhow. On my Super A I welded the keys in the shaft, then ground it to a press fit. I put my 130 together without welding keys in shaft. I wish I had taken the time to weld 130 shaft to keys as well. That was 1991 and my Super A is tight as when new. 16 years later I'm now having to consider doing the 130 again. This key system was one weakness of that steering box. I also considered going to a machine shop have them cut larger keyways in shaft, gear and control arm. That in itself would have substancial cost and I'm not sure it would make it better. I do think if the woodruff keys were as long as gear and control arm are thick, it should be stronger. Whether enough stronger, I can't say. I am happy with my results, even the 130. Up until 5 years ago these tractors were working enough to each burn 500 IMP gallons of gas each and every year.

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smigelski

10-24-2007 10:18:16




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 Re: farmall 100 loose steering in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-24-2007 05:00:24  
when I turn my steering wheel it turns 1 1/4 turns before moving the wheels, I also noticed that the shaft to the steering wheel goes in and out depending on which way I turn the wheel.



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Hugh MacKay

10-24-2007 12:43:04




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 Re: farmall 100 loose steering in reply to smigelski, 10-24-2007 10:18:16  
Smigelski: With the shaft having end movement, very likely you'll need bearings. Not going to get away quite so easy as only having to do the vertical shaft. You should be able to tell when turning steering wheel how much free travel is coming from each shaft. I suspect it's not all from the shaft end play. Just take notice how much free travel you have after shaft goes it's distance. That will tell you how much free travel you have from each of steering wheel shaft and the vertical shaft.

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smigelski

10-24-2007 14:44:41




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 Re: farmall 100 loose steering in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-24-2007 12:43:04  
once the free travel from the steering shaft stops I have very little to no free play with the wheels. When I try to move the linkage arms the gears feel tight.



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scotty

10-23-2007 09:40:43




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 Re: farmall 100 loose steering in reply to smigelski, 10-23-2007 09:09:26  
Afternoon Smigelski, Turn your steering wheel shaft back and forth to see how much play you have before you get any motion to the bottom of the steering box. You may be able to take off the large acorn nut on the fron of the steering box and put a large shim washer between that nut and the outer race of the bearing. Also make sure the steering arm that is on the underside of the steering box is tight, if its loose and the woodruff key on that shaft is worn your going to have problems there also !

scotty

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smigelski

10-23-2007 20:08:23




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 Re: farmall 100 loose steering in reply to scotty, 10-23-2007 09:40:43  
thanks, I will look in the am. This is my first restore of a farmall. It's going to be hard. Winter is comeing and I don't have a shop on the farm. Everything is 3 or 2 sided out buildings



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