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PUTTER

10-22-2007 04:34:13




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Morning guys, I've been working on a new shop most of the summer, 32x40,2x6 walls 10'4" high. Interior square footage is 1209, cubic area is around 12,500. I'm planning on using a modine type propane gas furnace suspended from the ceiling. I'm putting 6" of insulation in the walls and at least 6" in the ceiling. I'm thinking of heating it all winter, 40 degrees max when i'm not out there but would want pretty quick recovery when I want to use it. I live in the UP of Michigan and it gets plenty cold here. What would you guys recommend for BTUs for a building this size. Any other good shop ideas would be appreciated.

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neblinc

10-22-2007 06:26:44




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to PUTTER, 10-22-2007 04:34:13  
Tons of info here Putter

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Might take you a few days to read it all third party image

Randy



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stevenh

10-22-2007 05:18:03




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to PUTTER, 10-22-2007 04:34:13  
Did you pour the slab yet? I put in radiant floor heat. I keep the garage air temp at 57 degrees during the winter with no problems.



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PUTTER

10-22-2007 05:44:56




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to stevenh, 10-22-2007 05:18:03  
Steve, Yes the slab is poured, putting tne siding on now and want to get it landscaped before winter sets in then work on the inside. I thought about the heat in the floor but thought this route would be more economical as the recovery for the in floor was not as fast. I've been planning this shop for years, probably more plans than the space shuttle, but as I started the build some of my plans had to be scrapped for economic reasons, still and all it will be real nice when I get it finished. I've heard that the in floor heat is the cats pajamas. thanks PUTTER

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Randy in NE

10-22-2007 05:05:29




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to PUTTER, 10-22-2007 04:34:13  
Have you thought about a used oil heater? My brother heats his shop in NE Nebraska with one. He gets more free oil than he can burn. He is a diesel mechanic so the issue of working with slimy oil doesn't bother him.



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PUTTER

10-22-2007 05:49:51




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to Randy in NE, 10-22-2007 05:05:29  
Randy, Yes, friend of mine has one also but I don't think it would work for me. Thought about wood too but my body doesn't like the chainsaw like it used to. Thanks PUTTER



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IaGary

10-22-2007 05:00:46




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to PUTTER, 10-22-2007 04:34:13  
I second the "more insulation in the ceiling".

At least 12" or more.

I have a shop 30x40with 14 foot ceilings here in Iowa.Also left it at 40 all the time and would warm it to 60 when out there.

Had a 60,000 BTU LB White Heater. It would take 20 to 30 minutes on a 0 degree day to warm to 60.

That heater went bad and I found a used 250,000 BTU LB White Heater. IT only takes about 10 minutes to get it to 60 degrees.

Gary

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PUTTER

10-22-2007 06:19:31




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to IaGary, 10-22-2007 05:00:46  
Hey Gary, Does the bigger heater use more gas to maintain the 40 degree temp. I guess what I'm asking is does the heater size make a difference in the economy of the unit or is that just a recovery issue. I'm thinking 100,000 BTU would be enough but I don't want to skimp and be cold out there either.



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El Toro

10-22-2007 05:00:10




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to PUTTER, 10-22-2007 04:34:13  
Have you considered having foam insulation sprayed
in as shown on some of the "This Ole House" shows?
Hal



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PUTTER

10-22-2007 06:02:05




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to El Toro, 10-22-2007 05:00:10  
Morning Hal, I,ve seen that on tv but I don't think anyone around here does it. PUTTER



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El Toro

10-22-2007 07:26:18




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to PUTTER, 10-22-2007 06:02:05  
Do a search for foam insulation in MI. I think they have dealers in Grand Rapids and Lansing.
There may be a Beicker Insulation Company in your area too. Hal



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leon

10-22-2007 04:43:02




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to PUTTER, 10-22-2007 04:34:13  
To be balanced I'd recomment two to three times as much insulation in the ceiling as you're now thinking about.



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PUTTER

10-22-2007 06:10:44




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to leon, 10-22-2007 04:43:02  
Hey Leon, Yup, I'll definately put enough up there. Still up in the air on using batts or blowing in fiberglass. I'm planning on using osb on the ceiling, would you put plastic sheeting on the rafters before you blew in the insulation or put it directly on the osb. I know when I start talking about plastic my buddies all tell me not to use it but there's supposed to be a vapor barrier up there I think. Thanks PUTTER

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banjo

10-22-2007 07:28:14




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to PUTTER, 10-22-2007 06:10:44  
Are you putting metal roof on it? I'd put some foil backed or roll insulation under it so it wont sweat and drip down on the insulation.

Another thing you havn't mentioned is wiring. dont skimp on it and run it across the the rafters. run it inside, so if you have to get up there you won't be walking on it and you can find it easier under the insulation.



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PUTTER

10-22-2007 11:53:15




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 Re: OT/ ShopHeating in reply to banjo, 10-22-2007 07:28:14  
Hey Banjo, Nope, it has regular shingle roof, The trusses are standard 5/12 pitch. I'll keep that in mind on the wiring, it sure makes sense. Thanks PUTTER



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