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repowering 450 diesel tractor?

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andrew stegman

10-18-2007 11:41:16




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has anyone considered repowering a 450 diesel with another diesel motor?
i have a 56 450 diesel that has a cracked head along with other issues (needs overhaul) i am a mechanic by trade so rebuilding isnt a problem but i am wondering about creating a better tractor that isnt prone to cracking heads and other things
any thoughts, ideas inputs?




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andrew stegman

10-18-2007 16:12:53




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 Re: repowering 450 diesel tractor? in reply to andrew stegman, 10-18-2007 11:41:16  
actually i was thinking about something from a newer model farmall or something that would bolt up (or is that wishful thinking?)
any ideas?



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Hugh MacKay

10-18-2007 17:08:21




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 Re: repowering 450 diesel tractor? in reply to andrew stegman, 10-18-2007 16:12:53  
Andrew: Most every modern diesel you could fit in there without lengthening frame rails will develop the same hp as the 450 but at 2,000 rpm. It will affect ground drive speeds, however I think that would be livable. The crunch will be 540 PTO, it's going to happen around 1,500 and probably give you less hp than the 450 diesel engine.

Personally if it were me, I'd rebuild the 450 engine. You don't need to be cracking heads on a regular basis. I know guys that have put 10 to 15K hours on those old gas starts and never cracked a head. You've got to start it right and shut it down right. None of this pulling the kill switch the instant the throttle lever hits the idle mark. This diesel was part of the evolution, before it on many farms was the horse and he had to be unharnessed, groomed and fed at the end of each day. Could 5 min idling to allow the 450 diesel time to cool down, be so bad.

If your farming and want one of the modern day Farmall diesels, go out and buy yourself a 656, 666 or 686, basically the same dependable reputation as the M, SM, 400, 450 and 560, plus you get modern day 3 point hitch, much better IPTO, modern day forward mounting operator's platform, much better remote hydraulics and a 6 cylinder diesel up front giving you more horsepower.

As of 2007, no one has built a better 3 point hitch than on 06, 56, 66 or 86 series Farmalls. That is 40 years, and they are not out of date. Your 450 was out of date before it was 10 years old.

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Steven f/AZ

10-18-2007 14:08:59




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 Re: repowering 450 diesel tractor? in reply to andrew stegman, 10-18-2007 11:41:16  
If you want something really nice and aren"t concerned about the cost... get a 4bt Cummins.



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Tramway Guy

10-18-2007 11:53:27




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 Re: repowering 450 diesel tractor? in reply to andrew stegman, 10-18-2007 11:41:16  
The problem with trying to replace a large displacement, low-RPM high-torque tractor engine such as the 281 Cubic Inch 450 engine with a modern diesel is that the modern engines are designed to run so much faster for a given HP. If you could incorporate a reduction gear ahead of the flywheel, you could keep engine size down and it would be easier to fit it in. Unless you don't really care about the PTO speeds or ground speeds....
Lots of V-8's have been put into all sorts of old tractors, but in reality, they are really not too practical and are more for show (or pulling).

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