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Steven Bushman

10-07-2007 22:14:07

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I would like to install live hydraulics on my 51 M. I have seen pictures of a super M and some H's which have a pump mounted just before the distributer. Is it possible to purchase a like pump and fit it to my M? And if so where do I start looking for the parts?

Thanks, Steve

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Steven Bushman

10-08-2007 21:29:11

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Andrew Z, 10-07-2007 22:14:07

NYFD said: (quoted from post at 07:24:41 10/08/07) I have a Good M&W live pump, for a Farmall M.

Could you also post pictures of your setup. I am interested in all the pictures I can get. It helps me get ideas so that the finished product does not look like a spider web.

Thank you Steve

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NYFD

10-08-2007 23:25:08

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Re: Live Hydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-08-2007 21:29:11

Hi Steven,

I would like to send you some pics, of the pump, but I don't have a Digital Camera. I'm going to get one, tho!

You do know the M&W pump is for a M Diesel, don't you?
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Chuck46: What I meant by turning the drive gear over was, take the big nut off, pull the gear off, flip it up-side-down and back on.... I don't know if that would work or not, that was just what I was told.... I'll check that out tomorrow... Thanks, Steve and Chuck 4 your reply.

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Steven Bushman

10-10-2007 19:26:36

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Re: Live Hydraulics for Farmall M in reply to NYFD, 10-08-2007 23:25:08

Did not know that the M & W pump was for the Diesel. What is the difference between the two?

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NYFD

10-11-2007 01:32:48

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Re: Live Hydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-10-2007 19:26:36

Steve: The M&W pump will work on the M Diesel or M Gas engine... The only thing is the Diesel engine turns CCW and the Gas turns CW... If the drive (52927DA) gear was swapped for the gas (*******) Gear, it should work.... Cause this pump, will pump, <--- * ---> in both directions.

There is a M&W pump for a W6 or Super M on eBay... I don't know if it will fit your M or not.... Just go to Google, type in "M&W LIVE PUMP" Without the ("") Quotes and you'll see it.

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terryjd

10-08-2007 19:14:17

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-07-2007 22:14:07

If you decide to look for a live pump watch ebay. They are on there very often and usually go for a reasonable price.

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NYFD

10-08-2007 13:43:11

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Re: Live Hydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-07-2007 22:14:07

I checked the M&W Live Pump I have, and its for a MD... Now, is it TRUE, you can turn the drive gear over and it will work on a gas M etc? I was also told, the pump, will pump, both CW and CCW. Is this TRUE?

Thanks!

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chuck46

10-08-2007 20:00:57

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Re: Live Hydraulics for Farmall M in reply to NYFD, 10-08-2007 13:43:11

Hi NYFD, I have been told that M&W pump 205px will work either direction, there was a very recent post with a 204px that had a direction arrow on it. I am not sure what you mean by turn the gear over but I am sure the gas and diesel gears do not interchange. Good luck, Chuck

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Nebraska Kirk

10-08-2007 11:45:35

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Re: Live hydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-07-2007 22:14:07

I have an extra IH live hydraulic pump that I can sell you, if you need one.

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Steven Bushman

10-08-2007 21:21:45

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Re: Live hydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Nebraska Kirk, 10-08-2007 11:45:35

Kirk,Could you please post a picture of the pump. I would like to see how it is configured. I am not too sure if I have to have an adapter or if the pump comes with one or if it is part of the casting.

Thanks, Steve

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Nebraska Kirk

10-09-2007 19:20:22

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Re: Live hydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-08-2007 21:21:45

Here is a picture.

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Janicholson

10-08-2007 06:18:45

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-07-2007 22:14:07

I think another consideration is the cam gear there is a serial number split (I think in 51) that prior to this number, the gear will fail driving both a pump and the low load distributor or mag. JimN

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Steven Bushman

10-08-2007 10:38:03

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Janicholson, 10-08-2007 06:18:45

Good comment on the cam gear. That is something that I will consider deeply. Still not too sure if I am going to get the loader that I want the live hydraulics for or not.

Will the belly pump push enough fluid and have enough pressure to work a loader?

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Janicholson

10-08-2007 12:12:13

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-08-2007 10:38:03

It depends on the cylinder diameter, 2.5 to 3" lift cylinders will lift well, but might be considered slow by today's standards. JimN

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VOLfarmall

10-08-2007 05:59:24

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-07-2007 22:14:07

the one for the Sm.400&450 will not fit your 51 M. but the M&W will fit both,It has slotted mounting holes.

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Nat 2

10-08-2007 07:19:26

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to VOLfarmall, 10-08-2007 05:59:24

The live pump WILL fit M's built after 1950.

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georgeky

10-08-2007 06:35:51

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to VOLfarmall, 10-08-2007 05:59:24

SM/400/450 pump WILL fit M's after mid 1950. The serial break is 228082

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rockerscraper1

10-08-2007 03:10:20

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-07-2007 22:14:07

do you need to get a better cam gear?

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NYFD

10-07-2007 23:24:41

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-07-2007 22:14:07

I have a Good M&W live pump, for a Farmall M.

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georgeky

10-07-2007 22:27:33

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Re: Live ydraulics for Farmall M in reply to Steven Bushman, 10-07-2007 22:14:07

Yes one will bolt right up. They are available to the left of page from YT. About 650 bucks for one. A used one from the SM/400/450 will also work. You will have to rig the belly pump for a resivoir or add one.

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