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farmall A diffrence between super A

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Pat-CT

10-05-2007 17:48:27




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whats the most noticable diffrence by looks of a super a and an A it doesnt run the only way i know is the hydraulics but is the batter under the seat or something




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Heint57

10-06-2007 20:27:29




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 Re: farmall A diffrence between super A in reply to Pat-CT, 10-05-2007 17:48:27  
I'm really glad someone asked this. I too was wondering. How do I tell if my SA is earlier or later model?



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Hugh MacKay

10-07-2007 05:35:13




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 Re: farmall A diffrence between super A in reply to Heint57, 10-06-2007 20:27:29  
Heint: Didn't that have a Z in earlier posts?

Getting to the Super A and changes made during production. The hydraulics were quite significant as the torque tube and engine block both had to be changed to accomodate the hydraulics. Engine block required a hole for pump drive off timing gears. The A torque tube is round on top while the SA has a flat top torque tube where the touch control unit is mounted. Other than that the SA remained very much unchanged until the early 50s Most of these changes occured on or near serial number 310300; steering box working parts and complete tyrod setup, it changed to automotive type tyrods. Engine block changed to part number 354898 R1 being the same block as SC and it retained 3" bore with thicker sleeves, giving it still 113 cu in, whereas the SC was 123 cu in with 3-1/8" bore.

Shortly after that it changed from cut out relay to voltage regulator, sorry I don't have an exact serial number on that change. About the same time IH also began switching Super A's from mag to distributor ign. Not many SA had mags after 1952 however it was still available until end of 130 production. Dual fuel was much the same, not many after 52 however it was available until end of 130 production. Also in 52 or early 53 the transmission gears were hardened, don't have the exact serial number on that. The Hydraulic touch control unit changed a bit around 52-53.

At serial number 336711 the SA changed to presurized cooling system. About 2000 later, the brakes got an upgrade to same type as 100, 130 and 140.

The final big change was at serial 356001, IH started using 3-1/8" sleeves making it 123 cu in., added a water pump and larger radiator. By then it was basically a Farmall 100 with SA sheet metal Serial number changed from left seat support to left side of clutch housing. Some say fast hitch also became available at this time, but I've never seen any official conformation. It wouldn't surprise me and I'll not argue with anyone who claims to have a SA1 with factory fast hitch. Super A production ended at serial number 357958 and all Super A between 356001 and 357958 were refered to as Super A1 as in (one). There could also have been an IA1, I as in industrial.

I hope this helps some, sorry I didn't have exact serial numbers on some of these changes. You may find others who do know. Most of what I have exact serial numbers on happened as a result of buying parts over the years. One lesson with a SA and buying parts, always have your serial number close by.

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Hugh MacKay

10-05-2007 18:21:30




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 Re: farmall A diffrence between super A in reply to Pat-CT, 10-05-2007 17:48:27  
Pat: You got it hydraulics are the main difference, Super A had it, A didn't. the serial and model should be on plate rivited to the left seat support.

You will also notice a lot of difference in Super A during the years it was in production. More changes occured during Super A production, than during A, 100, 130 and 140 production, combined.



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El Toro

10-05-2007 18:24:58




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 Re: farmall A diffrence between super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-05-2007 18:21:30  
Hi Hugh, Didn't some of those late Super A's had
the C123 engine along with a water pump? Hal
PS: Its hot here in MD too.



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Hugh MacKay

10-07-2007 05:38:46




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 Re: farmall A diffrence between super A in reply to El Toro, 10-05-2007 18:24:58  
Hal: Read my responce to Heint, I think I have most of the changes during SA production, however I wont be surprised if someone chirps up with one I missed.



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Andrew Z

10-05-2007 18:31:09




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 Re: farmall A diffrence between super A in reply to El Toro, 10-05-2007 18:24:58  
yes Very late Super A's actually Super A1's had the 123ci with the water pump. Made in 1954 rare i think like less than 2000 were built or something. the Super A1 was more like farmall 100. Had a bigger rad etc.

Andrew



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Andrew Z

10-05-2007 18:17:18




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 Re: farmall A diffrence between super A in reply to Pat-CT, 10-05-2007 17:48:27  
Thats really the only diffrence, they cranked the rpms up to get alittle more out of the A's 113 engine. there was a few other minor changes but the hydro's are the biggest one.

Andrew



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El Toro

10-05-2007 17:59:26




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 Re: farmall A diffrence between super A in reply to Pat-CT, 10-05-2007 17:48:27  
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The A has the long levers along the seat for lifting the plow and other implements. I think there was a lever for tilting the plow point. Hal



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HAS

10-06-2007 09:27:52




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 Re: farmall A diffrence between super A in reply to El Toro, 10-05-2007 17:59:26  
You are right about that El Toro - The floor mounted lever on the right is for lifting the plow to carry and the one that is either on the right side of the gas tank, or mounted on the top of the transmission was to adjust the angle of attack on the point.



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El Toro

10-06-2007 11:42:20




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 Re: farmall A diffrence between super A in reply to HAS, 10-06-2007 09:27:52  
That tractor sure did plow nice. After I had it running I was plowing the garden and I wanted to see how it would do in sod. It just made those new tires dig a little more. No fluid in the tires either. Hal



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