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OT--older tractor rollover tragedy

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zooeyhall

09-30-2007 08:05:33




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There was a sad story in this morning's (Sunday edition) of the Omaha World-Herald about a 14 year old boy in Iowa killed when a tractor rolled over on him.

Here is the link to the article:

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I think everyone who is an older tractor enthusiast needs to be aware of how these tractors are vulnerable to this kind of accident. I think many older tractor users think that "well, it won't happen to me because I don't use it for farming" but it can happen if you are just taking it out to pull some stumps or something.

The article mentions that half the tractors in Iowa don't have rollover protection. Incredibly, it mentions that on the newer tractors that have it some farmers REMOVE the protection ("it interferes with my vision" one farmer says in the article).

The article mentions that rollover retro-fits are available, but I have never seen any advertised. I have and H and an M that I use for farming 160 acres, and would like to get one of these kits. Can someone tell me who sells them? I haven't seen them in any catalogs or anything. The newspaper article says they cost from $650 to $900, and that is pricey. But if it can save a live it is worth it. It mentions that some dealers sell them for cost. Can someone tell me a dealer who sells these? I asked my local IH dealer parts dept. and they seemed clueless about these kits being available.

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Hugh Mackay

09-30-2007 19:40:27




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 Re: OT--older tractor rollover tragedy in reply to zooeyhall, 09-30-2007 08:05:33  
zooeyhall: My dad and I had combined farming careers totaling close to 60 years with roughly 20 different tractors. Only 3 of those tractors were ever fitted with ROPS. We often had 6 or 8 employees. One thing we did enjoy all those many years, is we never had a lost time accident. My dad probably taught 35 young folks how to safely drive and work tractors. We were not some little half acre doing 50 hours of tractor work per year. In 1978 we had 5 tractors each clock up over 1,000 hours for the year. We were running 9 tractors, 4 trucks and a combine in 78.

One thing I've noticed in the past 25 years is the cavalier attitude of young folks in the work place. Not just farming, but rather everywhere. They seem to think workplace safety laws will not allow them to be hurt, regardless of their actions. Most also have a cavalier attitude for the safety of folks working around them.

Couple this with the fact some folks are now buying old tractors thinking the tractor will make a less expensive ATV. Guess again, who do they think they're kidding. Just reading YT discussion everyday one realizes a certain percentage of the crowd are running old Farmalls without ballast, in road gear in an off road situation. No question, some of them will be killed and at a lot higher rate than the North American Farmer ever was.

I remember the first farm tractor ROPS that came to my hometown. I asked the senior member of that family farm how he liked the ROPS after 6 months use. He said, "It has allowed the young folks on our farm to live more dangerously. They get on that tractor and have no respect for the safety of themselves or others." Interesting, half that generation he was speaking about are now deceased.

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Daniel Bear Kelley

09-30-2007 10:19:16




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 Home-made ROPS in reply to zooeyhall, 09-30-2007 08:05:33  
I bought my M with a front loader. A previous owner welded up a Roll Over Protection bar to the loader frame. Looks pretty ugly, but the welds are very nice. 4-inch tube steel. The back of the loader frame is bolted to the rear axle, so this appears to be a well considered system.
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If you visit your local welder, you should be able to get something welded up for you. You can save some $$ by prepping everything, and then just having the welder put it all together. I would recommend a professional welder to ensure good penetration on the welds.

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Janicholson

10-01-2007 06:58:13




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 Re: Home-made ROPS in reply to Daniel Bear Kelley, 09-30-2007 10:19:16  
ROPS when made by the owner may be as much a liability as it is a safert device.
The use of seatbelts is mandatory. Getting pinched between the bars and the ground is worse than being able to jump off.
The design will not have been tested to assure shear loads and crush loads are above those expected.
Liability may be an issue if others are hurt/killed operating your machine with a non stock ROPS.
With seat belts being used I think the idea is sound if looked at and built like one of the stock units, and fastened in the same robust manor. JimN

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jwal19

09-30-2007 10:04:42




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 Re: OT--older tractor rollover tragedy in reply to zooeyhall, 09-30-2007 08:05:33  
Sorry , I didn't mean it wasn't a rollover I mean't the tractor breaking and the engine coming into the operators area is what killed him. I don't know what happened first....James



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jwal10

09-30-2007 09:53:27




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 Re: OT--older tractor rollover tragedy in reply to zooeyhall, 09-30-2007 08:05:33  
Yes, as this was a tragedy, and we all need to be diligent at all times, this accident was not a roll over, it was a mechanical failure. The tractor broke. If he had a seatbelt on it would have still crushed him. I have had near misses and some of those would have been injuries if I would have had a seat belt on. Not to blame anyone but a lot of accidents happen because of operator error, no different than auto accidents. Sure newer equipment is safer, but retrofitting older tractors to modern safety equipment doesn't always make it safer.The media makes it sound bad , but if they got their way all older equipment would be scrapped, cars, trucks, tractors, lawn tractors, guns,All the things we collect would be outlawed and scrapped. At some point common sense has to come into play and safety measures followed so we can enjoy our past. Forget the past and the future will be mean nothing. Be safe and teach safety every day....James

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sammy the RED

09-30-2007 09:09:36




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 Re: OT--older tractor rollover tragedy in reply to zooeyhall, 09-30-2007 08:05:33  
While that boy was killed 4 years ago, the story in the paper is a reminder that such things like that can happen.

Be SAFE out there Fella's !



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bshannon

09-30-2007 08:13:21




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 Re: OT--older tractor rollover tragedy in reply to zooeyhall, 09-30-2007 08:05:33  
I've never seen any roll-over protection for tractors such as the old H's, M's, or other brands for that matter. Keep in mind that for the ROPS to be effective the operator has to be wearing a seatbelt. I agree that anytime such an accident occurs, it is a tragedy. But regarding removing the ROPS, we have done it on a mid 80's model tractor as we can't get into a building for loader work with it on, and this series doesn't fold. Also I know I'm guilty as well as most farmers I know; when you get on and off the tractor a lot, you are not likely to wear the seat belt. Common sense and caution are still the most important safety factors.

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