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Preparing rusty fender for paint

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Len Rahilly

09-28-2007 07:35:09




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Recently bought a small tractor, about 35 yrs old, and the fenders are pitted with those rust "blossoms" that you often see on old iron.
Tractor is in good shape overall, and sheet metal is excellent.
What is the best way to clean these fenders, to get the rust out of the pits, to FILL the pits before priming and painting?
The fenders are white. I suppose I shouldn't be in this forum, because the tractor is a Ford (gasp!) 1100, which I bought because it was exactly what I needed to trim a large area of semi-wild grass. Still, I recently saw some excellent advice to another fellow who asked about paint prep, and I decided to write to this forum. I am IH-RED at heart, but I couldn't find a good Cub and the Ford sort of fell into my lap.
I have several cans of the Ford "grey" (almost white) and will do the repaint over the winter by taking the fenders off and bringing them indoors.

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Len Rahilly

09-30-2007 14:06:48




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 Re: Preparing rusty fender for paint in reply to Len Rahilly, 09-28-2007 07:35:09  
Many thanks to you all for the help! It's great to have such a forum where we can share what we know with people who need info.



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El Toro

09-29-2007 04:21:12




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 Re: Preparing rusty fender for paint in reply to Len Rahilly, 09-28-2007 07:35:09  
One of the best surfacer's is Primeez by Martin Senour. Once you have your primer on this will fill a lot blemishes in the metal. You thin it with lacquer thinner and it will dry very quickly
and can be lightly sanded between coats. Hal



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GA Dave

09-28-2007 18:40:45




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 Re: Preparing rusty fender for paint in reply to Len Rahilly, 09-28-2007 07:35:09  
Len, I got a 240 U about one and half years ago. Painted with a pine top over those rust bubbles and pits. I used a 4-1/2 " side grinder and wire brush to get a lot of it but had to resort to a belt grinder on the hood. If I had known about electrolysis then i'd get me a BIG tank (250 gal) and put all the sheet metal in and save a lot of work. Live and learn. I just bought a Ford 8N and if I decide to redo it it'l go in the cooker. My opine. David.

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CNKS

09-28-2007 18:03:14




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 Re: Preparing rusty fender for paint in reply to Len Rahilly, 09-28-2007 07:35:09  
Sandblast them or sand them by hand, or use a fiber wheel on an electric drill. If rust is still in the pits use Picklex 20 or a similar cheaper product from Home Depot called Must for Rust, or some other protectant/converter. Those will convert or neutralize the rust. Then use body filler in the pits, sand smooth and prime with epoxy primer followed by a sandable surfacer. The epoxy gives a good bond to the metal, it is also waterproof. The sandable surfacer will fill any scratches caused by the other sanding procedure and leave a smooth surface to be top coated. Etch primer, although it can be used on old metal is not necessary because you have done the etching by sanding. Etch is mainly used by body shops on new metal that they do not wish to take the time to sand. Epoxy is the way to go. For the pieces you described it is the best primer there is.

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ScottyHOMEy

09-28-2007 09:17:49




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 Re: Preparing rusty fender for paint in reply to Len Rahilly, 09-28-2007 07:35:09  
Len I've used three different approches to rust, grinding, blasting and electrolysis.

If the part is small enough or you hae a tank big enough, electrolysis is great. After cleanup you can prime and paint.

Blasting is great if you're set up for it. Leaves things shinier than electrolysis and usually just needs an etching primer to get going.

Grinding with a twisted wire brush winds up being my most common method, especially for spots. Drawbacks are that some existing paint is the very devil to get off (but you at least have a good roughed up surface for a new coat of a compatible paint to adhere to) and it doesn't always get all the rust completely out of deep pits. In the latter case I use Jasco Paint and Prep (others use Ospho) after the grinding, both of which are phosphoric acid solutions that convert rust and iron to iron phosphate, kind of like bluing a gun barrel. Great stuff, easy to use. Treat it like a coat of primer, scuff it up and apply whatever comes next.

One caution is not to leave any bare metal laying around without getting something on it for a primer, whether that's an actual primer or the first coat of your paint. It can get a flash coat of rust in just a few hours, and you'll have to go back over it before priming or painting. Once you've got the bare metal primed, you can decide whether a filling primer or a putty would be better for filling the pits.

Good luck!

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Wardner

09-28-2007 14:32:59




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 Re: Preparing rusty fender for paint in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 09-28-2007 09:17:49  
Scotty,

The Conneticut department that writes specifications and contracts for bridge repair in that state has determined the flash rusting is not a problem.

There are four types of ferrous oxidation. They have similar molecular identifiers but each successive stage includes one more oxygen atom. Flash rust is the first. The second and third stage are the most destructive to the metal. They both produce microscopic worm holes that are nearly impossible to clean in the field and will continue to decay the steel after covered with paint. The only remediation is to use zinc rich paint formulas. The zinc will sacrifice itself and delay the steel from doing the same.

CT will allow painting over flash rust. I seem to recall somewhere that flash rusting can promote paint adhesion under most circumstances. Flash rusting over worm holes is not satisfactory but may have to tolerated because a genuine "white metal" surface preparation cannot be realistically achieved.

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ScottyHOMEy

09-28-2007 16:21:07




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 Re: Preparing rusty fender for paint in reply to Wardner, 09-28-2007 14:32:59  
I never minded what my untrained eye would call flash rust as long as I was using an etching primer or one of the rust converters. Don't know about the zinc content of my paints. I included that caution so Len might not have to relive my experience of setting some freshly blasted iron in the barn overnight to keep it out of the dew and finding and unpaintable (again, my amateur estimation) mess.

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Keith-OR

09-28-2007 08:18:43




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 Re: Preparing rusty fender for paint in reply to Len Rahilly, 09-28-2007 07:35:09  
Morning Len, couple things to say. Most of the individuals on this forum are not color blind, we all have tractors of different color. And there is great advice to be had on each and every forum of this website. Now that being said, I would set me up an electrolysis tank to remove the rust along with the old paint. Go to the following website, then click on restoration tips. Frank has a lot of great info on his website on electrolysis.

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Keith & Shawn (Special Olympic Champion)

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