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404 generator to alternator conversion

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Dave in Ms

09-17-2007 10:07:39




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I have been asked to convert a 404 to use an alternator. I have done this on Fords, but have no experience with IH. This one has magneto ignition which raises questions about how the key switch is to be wired into the circuit. Any and all suggestions/help will be appreciated.




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Dave in Ms

09-17-2007 22:14:21




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 Re: 404 generator to alternator conversion in reply to Dave in Ms, 09-17-2007 10:07:39  
Thanks for the replies. I guess I should have mentioned that I haven't seen this tractor in years, and only just remembered that it has a mag. Also, I thought the key switch was the kill switch for the mag. Am I wrong in thinking that? If right, then the key switch cannot be used to excite the alternator and some other means must be used. I think i have really got myself confused with this one.

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Bob M

09-17-2007 11:21:23




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 Re: 404 generator to alternator conversion in reply to Dave in Ms, 09-17-2007 10:07:39  
Dave - A couple comments:

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A - The mag and charging system's wiring are separate and completely independent. Converting to 12 volt alternator system will have no effect on the magneto. Simply leave the mag and it's kill switch wiring as-is!

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B - You have 2 choices for the alternator:

1 - A self-energizing (so called "one wire" alternator). For this you simply connect the output terminal to the ammeter and you're done. A single wire alternator is not without it's disadvantages (below)

2 - Use a standard, 3-terminal alternator. This however requires a bit more wiring, including some sort of switch arrangement to tell the alternator when the engine is running. This can be a separate manual on-off switch, a separate momentary pushbutton switch (press and release after the engine is running) OR it can be a switch that senses engine oil pressure (switch closes when the engine is running).

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Incidentally I am not fond of single wire alternators. Despite the wiring simplicity, a single wire alternator is more costly, needs to be spun up faster in order to begin to charge, and in some cases may gradually drain the battery if the engine is not run frequently.

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El Toro

09-17-2007 10:56:56




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 Re: 404 generator to alternator conversion in reply to Dave in Ms, 09-17-2007 10:07:39  
If you have a mag you don't want any battery voltage going to the mag, that's required on a distributor. Hal



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