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300 loader on M?

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bnowen

09-15-2007 20:58:45




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Hello, I am looking at a loader that came off a 300 farmall. Am I correct in assuming that the 300, 400, H and M would all fit to this loader? I have a M and thought I'd ask you who know about the 300 model and the interchange possibilities with my M. Thanks
Billy




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onedamdeer

09-23-2007 18:30:06




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 Re: 300 loader on M? in reply to bnowen, 09-15-2007 20:58:45  
i bought that loader from ebay for my 57 international 240 utility .with some measuring today it looks like it will go right on there.



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Hugh MacKay

09-16-2007 03:03:03




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 Re: 300 loader on M? in reply to bnowen, 09-15-2007 20:58:45  
Billy: Another item I forgot to mention, my dad had a 33A loader on our 300 before I installed the Wagner. 33A was considered the Farmall loader and the U-34 was considered the utility loader. I forget the exact specs, however the U-34 had a considerably higher lift capacity than the 33A. A neighbor had a U-34 on his 350 Utility. The U-34 has a lot more steel in it than the 33A, and yes, what we saw way back in the 50s the U-34 would lift more than the 33A. That neighbor's son still has the 350 with U-34 loader. My 33A loader went to the scrap yard in mid 1960s. The Wagner would perform with the U-34.

I never could figure why manufacturers figured utility tractors could handle a higher capacity loader than a row crop, however they all did it up until the mid 70s. Personally I though the longer wheel base row crop would handle the extra weight best.

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Janicholson

09-15-2007 21:10:16




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 Re: 300 loader on M? in reply to bnowen, 09-15-2007 20:58:45  
The 300 is 2" narrower than the M If the loader is adjustable, or can be refabricated to suit the width difference, it will likely fit in the axle and length directions. If it is designed specifically for the 300 with structure in the bolster area, I would pass. JimN



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bnowen

09-15-2007 22:40:00




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 Re: 300 loader on M? in reply to Janicholson, 09-15-2007 21:10:16  
Thanks for the info. It is on ebay right now and is Item number: 120160244993. It appears to be a U-34 power loader. Does that mean it will fit only a utility tractor? Thanks.



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Allan In NE

09-16-2007 05:16:25




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 Re: 300 loader on M? in reply to bnowen, 09-15-2007 22:40:00  
When at an auction, never ever wave to your neighbor.

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

09-16-2007 02:45:21




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 Re: 300 loader on M? in reply to bnowen, 09-15-2007 22:40:00  
bnowen: The U-34 loader was specifically designed for Utility tractors, however I wouldn't let that turn me off. The 300U is exactly same length from rear axles to front of bolster as are the H, M, 300 and 400. The U-34 loader will bolt right up at rear axle housings, and you will have to do some fabrication modification to attach loader frame at the front.

Back eons ago I had a Wagner loader on a Cockshutt 540, Utility tractor very close configuration to the 300U. I did a bit of mearuring one day and decided to mount that loader on my Farmall 300. To my surprise it bolted right up at rear axle housing. At that point I had a mobile welder come in and we had it bolted to tractor front end in less than 3 hours.

Most folks think Utility type loaders are too short for row crop tractors, and that chassis height difference will be too great. There is not a lot of difference in length from rear axle housing to front of bolster, between any 4 cylinder row crop or utility, any make. Utilities also at axle housing are only about 2-3 closer to ground.

I once bought a farm, the vendor had Farmalls 504 and 656 plus a IH 2000 loader, a 4 and a 6 cylinder tractor. When he bought these new in 67 the loader came on 656. Around 70 he decided to mount loader on 504 and had to cut 6" out of loader frame back near the axle housings, plus he had to change to front mounts. Since I wasn't going to keep the 504, but did want the loader and wanted to mount it on my Farmall 560. I had to weld the 6" back in the frame, modify the front mount to fit the 6 cylinder 560. Actually the 560 and 656 both being 6 cylinder, the loader mounting was identical.

What I learned in these experiences, it actually takes longer to modify a loader from a 4 to a 6 cylinder tractor than it does from 4 cylinder utility to 4 cylinder row crop. Not a lot of difference, but it was a bit more complicated.

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bnowen

09-16-2007 05:49:32




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 Re: 300 loader on M? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-16-2007 02:45:21  
Thanks for the information. I appreciate it.
Billy



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sd pete

09-15-2007 23:02:12




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 Re: 300 loader on M? in reply to bnowen, 09-15-2007 22:40:00  
i wouldn't give 2 dollars for it



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