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I REALLY need help with SC

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mwkellner

09-11-2007 10:21:33




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My dad and his neighbor were having trouble starting the Super C that has always started well but had been sitting for several months. They bought and installed a new coil (because they determined that the spark was very inconsistent) and cleaned up the points. They used a little starting fluid in the air cleaner and it started up. In the #2 cylinder there was a banging sound that they described as possibly firing too early. My Dad said it sounded to him as though the noise wasn't every firing stroke but it could be hard to tell because of the low RPM. They double checked the plug wires on the distributor cap (but they were never removed in the first place). They checked the compresion and all cylinders were 150 psi. They tried a different spark plug wire, and tried switching the plug form cylinder #1. None of these things helped. When the spark plug wire from cylinder #2 was unplugged the engine smothed out and ran quite well on 3 cylinders and the noise stopped.

I am sorry that the post is long but I tried to give as much information as I can. My Dad's neighbor is really knowledgable and not stumped often, that makes me worry. I REALLY appreciate any ideas and help that y'all have. Thanks -- Martin

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Brownie450

09-11-2007 17:40:02




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 Re: I REALLY need help with SC in reply to mwkellner, 09-11-2007 10:21:33  
Any chance of water getting in #2 & causing hydrostatic lock when first starting? Could have bent a rod or other goings-on. I think Jim is calling it right.



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El Toro

09-11-2007 14:26:35




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 Re: I REALLY need help with SC in reply to mwkellner, 09-11-2007 10:21:33  
Check that cylinder for a broken valve spring. Hal



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chadd

09-11-2007 12:21:59




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 Re: I REALLY need help with SC in reply to mwkellner, 09-11-2007 10:21:33  
Hate to say this, but I believe rod knock exhibits this trait. When unplugging the spark plug, there is no explosion in the cylinder, so there is no tremendous force being placed on the piston and the rod, so the noise goes away or at least gets quieter. It is very difficult for one cylinder to get out of time from the rest, because each cylinder's timing is determined by the wires position in the distributor cap. Check the firing order, check the cap for carbon tracks or cracks, check the plug wire. A failing rod bearing will not greatly affect compression, so it is a possibility. If it were debris in the cylinder, it would have continued making noise when the spark plug was disconnected. I hope I am wrong, and that someone else can give you a better diagnosis!!

On a side note, many people have the opinion that if it won't start by itself, there is something wrong to begin with, so don't bother using starter fluid, as it will just cause more problems. Its use plays havoc with rod bearings and engine internals if used in excessive quantities. I wouldn't use it at ALL in a gas motor, unless you are planning to rebuild it in the near future, or don't depend on it for anything.

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Janicholson

09-11-2007 12:13:46




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 Re: I REALLY need help with SC in reply to mwkellner, 09-11-2007 10:21:33  
If the #2 exhaust valve is not opening, the compression will be fine, but it will cause just that symptom. The valve may have stuck open for a second when first started and the pushrod fell off. With a tiny LED light you might be able to see the valve open in the spark plug hole. If not pull the valve cover to check. JimN



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Peabody

09-11-2007 12:00:23




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 Re: I REALLY need help with SC in reply to mwkellner, 09-11-2007 10:21:33  
After all you've tried, the thing that comes to my mind is to replace the distributor cap. I've had those go bad over a period of time (typically spider cracks that you can't see) and that will drive you crazy trying to diagnose. If you've got another one lying around, try swapping it out.



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mwkellner

09-11-2007 12:08:43




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 Re: I REALLY need help with SC in reply to Peabody, 09-11-2007 12:00:23  
I will try that real soon. Thanks so much. Any other ideas are very appreciated.



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