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Mike CA

09-09-2007 13:31:24




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As some of you know I was hoping to have my tractor ready for my son's Fall Fair. Well, they moved the date up to the last week in Sep, so there is no way. So, that gives me some breathing room to do things at a slower pace. So I decided to go ahead and remove the radiator so I can get the nut tacked on inside it.
When took off the lower radiator hose, this is what I found...

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How bad does that look compared to what you guys have seen? How do I flush the radiator out before I reinstall it? (I'm assuming just a running hose poured into the top?
Lastly, once I have the tractor running, am I going to need to flush the system a few times to get all this rusted crap out of there?

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Mike CA

09-09-2007 20:22:33




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to Mike CA, 09-09-2007 13:31:24  
Will the open water jacket area just flush out? Should I just hose around in there, or is that asking for trouble?



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Robert Searcy

09-09-2007 20:03:03




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to Mike CA, 09-09-2007 13:31:24  
Get that stuff out of there.

I had the misfortune of that stuff clogging up the lower radiator hose inlet from the lower radiator tank on my 1944 JD A.

That lower tank was so full of filings crud a large chunck that nearly covered the lower hole held back all the smaller stuff and it was caked in there like grime.

I drained the water out in october as I do not keep antifreeze in it.

I then needed to use it in november to pull out the neighbor so I filled it up and ran over, pulled him out, came back and pulled the plug on it.

I didnt stick around as it was kind of cold and watch it drain but it obvouisly did not drain.

Split out the lower tank on teh radiator. When I took it all apart the tank was so full at the bottom it had pretty much sealed off the hole and it held water in teh tank enough to ruin it.

When I pulled off the lower hose and inlet to the lower block area where it drain, I fished out enough filings and small rust scale to fill up a gallon paint can.

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Mike CA

09-09-2007 19:27:09




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to Mike CA, 09-09-2007 13:31:24  
Well, I got the water jacket cover off. I broke two bolts in the process. third party image

Now I've got to find an easy out. *sigh*

I jinxed myself in another thread saying that so far this tractor hasn't had a bad bolt or nut yet!

By the way, there was hardly any rust behind that cover. I think I should have left it on. But I guess you never know until you pull it. Right?

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Dan Bear Kelley

09-09-2007 17:39:45




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to Mike CA, 09-09-2007 13:31:24  
On M's (and H's?) that cover plate behind the carb has sheet metal deflectors on it to move the coolant around the cylinders better. It may be that your plate will be very rusty, so you may want to hunt up a good replacement. And don't forget the gaskets, too.



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Mike CA

09-09-2007 16:27:36




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to Mike CA, 09-09-2007 13:31:24  

John M said: If it were me, Id back flush the radiator with a hose


I'm sorry, what is back flushing? I ran the hose through the radiator for about 5 minutes. Got some junk out of it. Put my hand over the drain and lower hose, let it fill up and run all out a few times. Water was clear coming out.

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John M

09-09-2007 17:13:50




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to Mike CA, 09-09-2007 16:27:36  
Filling from the top and letting it run out the bottom. I think you did the radiator right. Still that rust more than likely came from inside the engine, (dont get alarmed, its normal), little flakes of the inside of the block, outer cylinder walls, etc. Most likely it had water in it most of its life, not antifreeze.This is where a good antifreeze will help control hot spots that will occur in the cylinder walls since some spots arent as thick as they were when new. I think youre on the right track!

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John M

09-09-2007 15:45:29




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to Mike CA, 09-09-2007 13:31:24  
If it were me, Id back flush the radiator with a hose, pull the water jacket cover and get the loose rust flakes out, which is IMO what that is in the battom of your radiator,put the waterjacket cover back on then flush it out with the 50/50 mix.Youll never get all of the rusty flakes out just flushing it a couple of times.



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Janicholson

09-09-2007 14:44:06




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to Mike CA, 09-09-2007 13:31:24  
Normal it is. The block will have it as well, Take off the plate behind the carb, and use a wire to remove as much as possible, then flush out, then use a 50/50 vinegar solution when it is running to do a flush, a water flush, then coolant. JimN



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El Toro

09-09-2007 13:51:08




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to Mike CA, 09-09-2007 13:31:24  
I would try to flush out the engine block too. There may be a lot more of that crud in the block.
Hal



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Mike CA

09-09-2007 14:16:38




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to El Toro, 09-09-2007 13:51:08  
ok, so anything special I need to do, or just stick a hose in there and let the water loose?



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El Toro

09-09-2007 15:02:55




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 Re: This can't be good. in reply to Mike CA, 09-09-2007 14:16:38  
I think Jim has covered it very well. You don't want to get any of that rusty water on your new driveway. It can stain very well. Hal



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