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Help Identify (Super) C

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IndianaRed

09-03-2007 05:46:17




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Hey Guys,

I"m out at the farm in Kansas and Grandad and I have just dragged his old Super C into the shop to start restoration. He wasn"t sure of the year, so I checked the serial number on the right side of the seat toolbox. It says FC 4273. I checked with serial # guide here and that sounds like a regular C number. So, now I"m wondering if it is a C, or if maybe the seat has been changed out, or just what. Casting code on rear axle is (351112 R1) (4 1 R). On the PTO it is 9091D and on the pulley 9090D 8 or B. It has the touch control hyraulics. Also, we"ll be needing a hood, battery box, seat spring, and air cleaner if anyone might have those laying around.

Help is appreciated.

Thanks,

Brian

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Ron B - Northville

12-27-2007 21:31:23




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 Re: Help Identify and other (Super) C problems in reply to IndianaRed, 09-03-2007 05:46:17  
Here"s a couple C problems I could use help with. Recently picked up a supposed Super C with standard hitch and an enveloping front scoop. First question: is it a C, Super C or other? This makes my 6th C in 30 years. Still have 3 in good running condition; sold one, lost one in a fire and have one more complete but ready for (and needing) a full restore. Actually, I"m very prone to SC w/fast hitch but I couldn"t resist this SC because of the scoop. I wanted to try it on all the snow. Anyway, this one is serialed 54629 which should make it a standard C, not super, of 1950. I"ll check the hints above about brake pedals, etc. This one has an oil dipstick on the starter side which my Super C"s don"t have - though they all have the double petcock pan system. So, no matter what the fancy stickers say, would this be a standard C?

The real mystery is a couple other things. When I got it last fall it started fine, although with the need for some choke until it had warmed up, and then it seemed to run great. (The previous owner had said he suspected some kids were occasionally putting water in his gas tank and he cleaned it good for the sale.) But I was waiting for snow so I just moved it around a couple times briefly. (The scoop weight on the front dual trike is very noticeable). Finally the BIG snow came and, of course, it wouldn"t start. It fired up initially but after 5 minutes running poorly it died and I couldn"t get it restarted. First checked and cleaned the cap, rotor contacts & points. Then the firing order which was wrong. Instead of 1,3,4,2 I now had 4,3,1,2. No signs of a switch but there it was. I restored the proper order and still wouldn"t fire but I got a liquid gurgle from the exhaust. Anyway - I drained the oil and there was a gas small but no noticeable sign of water. I have an exhaust cap. Charged up the battery and it fired right off without choking (warmer weather tho) and now runs great. Also checked the trans case fluid and it was disgustingly low. Only about 1.5 gal. of creamy goo. Took care of that. Now the remaining mystery. It"s original 6 volt. Seems to charge and run fine but the battery is hooked up to negative ground and has been for some time. The guage shows charge when running and minor discharge when the switch is pulled on before starting. I did notice some arcing signs on the rotor metal. My thought is that the neighbor of the fellow I bought the tractor from was sabotaging this tractor by dumping water in the gas to get the price down. I can"t see that he switched the wires though because it shouldn"t run as well as it did at his place when I looked at it or mine when I first got it. So maybe I"m having some vandalizing here too. I"m still concerned about how so much gas got into the oil. Could it have been draining down from the switched cylinders instead of blowing the gas out of the exhaust? Would it have run at all, let alone as well as it did, if the wires had been switched at his place?

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CNKS

09-03-2007 12:08:19




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 Re: Help Identify (Super) C in reply to IndianaRed, 09-03-2007 05:46:17  
In case the axle housing has been changed, there are several differences between the C and SC. Simplest way to tell is the C clutch and brake pedals are straight, the Super C curved.



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El Toro

09-03-2007 13:13:02




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 Re: Help Identify (Super) C in reply to CNKS, 09-03-2007 12:08:19  
How is the moving progressing? Hal



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CNKS

09-03-2007 17:38:02




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 Re: Help Identify (Super) C in reply to El Toro, 09-03-2007 13:13:02  
We are moved, but boxes all over the house, total disorganization. Can find the food, computer, TV, and the bed -- I suppose that's all that is necessary.



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El Toro

09-03-2007 18:13:21




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 Re: Help Identify (Super) C in reply to CNKS, 09-03-2007 17:38:02  
I know how that was when we moved. Hal



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Mike CA

09-03-2007 09:19:18




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 Re: Help Identify (Super) C in reply to IndianaRed, 09-03-2007 05:46:17  

georgeky said: The 4*1*R is number for April 1 of 48.


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georgeky

09-03-2007 08:04:17




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 Re: Help Identify (Super) C in reply to IndianaRed, 09-03-2007 05:46:17  
By the serial and the one casting code you mentioned it is a 48 C. Most those numbers are part numbers. The 4*1*R is number for April 1 of 48. The C will have straight brake and clutch pedals where the ones on SC have two crooks in them to make it easier for operator to push in. C has band and drum brakes instead of disc like SC. Gas tank on a C sits almost on top of hydraulic unit, where tank on SC is almost 2 inches above unit. C also has no water pump unless someone put one on it. Stock C has a smaller steering wheel than SC and a little less pitch on the steering shaft. C has a C-113 CI engine where SC has C-123 CI engine. Other than that they just alike only different. Both are very good, dependable little tractors. I may have a hood and seat spring. No battery box or air cleaner though.

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IndianaRed

09-03-2007 18:02:32




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 Re: Help Identify (Super) C in reply to georgeky, 09-03-2007 08:04:17  
Thanks George,

This one has the straight pedals. Don't know why people put the super decals on regulars. I suppose they overhauled the motor with larger pistons and thought that was reason enough.

Grandad and I looked all through his "tractors up on the hill" today, his little salvage yard of retired tractors and cars, and could not find the hood for this one. Bothered him more than a little bit. He's pretty squared away with his stuff, but some of my uncles aren't as much. So we'll be needing one. I drive for a living and come through KY pretty often. Let me know what you'd like for that hood.

Thanks again,
Brian

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El Toro

09-03-2007 06:10:24




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 Re: Help Identify (Super) C in reply to IndianaRed, 09-03-2007 05:46:17  
I think you have a 1948 C. Hal



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