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russ hamm

08-29-2007 09:03:53




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Some really good posts below on that. Being heavily involved in our local show for some years, this has been a major issue to me. Yes, the older guys are getting burned out and need a well deserved vacation. And getting younger folks interested is tough. Working displays are a huge asset. Many exhibitors will put thier tractors on working equipment if you let them and supervise them on the operation. Beats the heck out of thier tractors sitting idle for three days. We have a retired gentlemen that went out for sponsorship money and entertainment last year and this year. He brought QUALITY entertainment and enough funds from sponsers to pay for it. Switching working displays and bringing in new stuff is key also. Getting folks to do it is the problem. This year we had tethered balloon rides. The wind jinxed that for saturday, but i think if they come back it will be a huge asset to the show. That is what it takes, different stuff for folks to do in addition to the usual "tractor show" stuff. I personally go to shows to watch the threshing/ corn shelling, etc. I would even help with these at other shows, can't get enough. BUT it takes someone to get the displays ready. If everyone pitches in a little, it all goes good. I was told that nobody watches threshing anymore. Bah, humbug. Give em some early self propelled combines then. That will draw a later generation and takes less to pull off than threshing. Many self propelled combine collectors out there, and pull types, check the combine forum. Meanwhile, i will make sure the threshing displays are around. I promise. :^D

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little john

08-30-2007 04:50:17




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
I am glad this whole topic came up. So many good thoughts have been offered that it gives me hope for the future of the shows. At the shows I see, the threshing and baling are very popular, and I agree that DOING things is a lot more interesting for visitors than just watching.



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TGIN

08-30-2007 03:40:45




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
The young guys like to compete , how about the 2 man crosscut saw , teams moving a 100 bale stack of straw . Let`em showoff for there girlfriends . Try to get the FFA to challange the football team . Instead of just the pedal tractor pull setup a obstical course too . Those Hit-n-Miss engs. need to be doing somthing other than just sittin there popin hook`em up to somthing , people remember action . The checkrow planter dont have to have seed in the hoppers , you could disk and plant the same half a. all weekend .

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Gary in Mozarks

08-30-2007 01:35:05




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
At one of our local antique farm show, They have set up a sorgrum press turned by a horse and the kids love to feed the cane into the press. They also boil it down and sell candy and sorgrum.



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scott sd

08-29-2007 16:25:50




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
I would like to see how corn is planted using the check row with the wires and stuff,I have never seen it done before. that would be more of a pre season show idea.



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russ hamm

08-29-2007 18:27:45




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to scott sd, 08-29-2007 16:25:50  
Actually, that is a really great idea for anytime as far as how it is done.



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onefarmer

08-30-2007 06:48:03




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 18:27:45  
I agree. Some could be planted in the spring so a cultivation exibition could be done, along side a how it was planted exibition



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Bob M

08-29-2007 19:16:58




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 18:27:45  
One of the exhibitors at our show had a checkrow planter - complete with a full spool of the special checkrow planter wire - on display this year. Not many people knew what it was, nor even what "checkrow planting" is. But the outfit drew a lot of interest, especially from the older corn farmers.

I'm going to locate some period photos of checkrow planting in progress and the resulting crops growing/being cultivated. I plan to print them for display alongside his the planter next year.

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Pat-CT

08-29-2007 15:57:20




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
bailing hay is a huge thing to watch for kids and teens im 16 live in a city and own a tractor a farmall H the way i see it as much as i love this hobbie its dying no matter how you put it eventually its going to dieout today things are getting more expensive and parts for these are not cheap...not only that but kids when they are old enough to do something with these tractors mechanicly and by that time they want a car. not the case with me if you offerd me a farmall 460 or a ford or dodge or chevy truck i would take the farmall becuase thats what i love theres no other way around it but its just my 2 cents.. i dont even keep the tractor at my home i keep it at a relatives house becuase it wouldnt fit in where i live

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russ hamm

08-29-2007 18:29:41




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to Pat-CT, 08-29-2007 15:57:20  
A good two cents worth. Yes, even baling hay is a mystery to some folks and would make a good demonstration.



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agpilot

08-29-2007 13:11:55




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
Hello All: I'll liked some comments that BobM made. In fact I'll copy-paste them again because I think anything that gets people attention enough to NOT walk past is the best things to promote for next year... agpilot
BobM comments: -->Unrestored and working equipment is encouraged to be exhibited. More and more unrestored stuff shows up every year. And curiously this stuff seems to get more attention than do the prettiest “trailer queen” tractor restorations.

We try to have hands-on displays in operation at all times. Curiously the most popular is a simple pitcher pump mounted to a washtub half-filled with water. Kids stand in line all day for a chance to work the pump. Another popular feature is a hit ‘n miss engine belted to a corn sheller and grinder. Visitors feed corn one ear at time into the machines and watch what comes out.

Active displays are popular. We have a guy who brings a hand-operated cordage machine – he keeps busy making short lengths of braided rope from poly baling twine to give to kids. Another guy brings and old buzz saw which he belts to a hit ‘n miss engine – he entertains by buzzing up cordwood.

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Bob M

08-29-2007 19:30:30




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to agpilot, 08-29-2007 13:11:55  
Agpilot - Punch below for a look at the cordage machine, and several kids playing with samples fresh off the machine at our show weekend before last....



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agpilot

08-30-2007 18:30:00




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to Bob M, 08-29-2007 19:30:30  
Thanks Bob M: I also liked previous picture. (#12) showing the two Oxen yoked together. Please note almost all people in the background are standing watching those Oxen. They don't stand and watch like that at Old 4 cylinder Iron?? Hard to remember that young kids do not think like older adults. They don't have the big male ego that often goes with big iron? Anyway... you made many good points about keeping threshing shows alive and well... Thanks Bob M. agpilot

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russ hamm

08-29-2007 13:06:02




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 You guys are the best. in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
Lots of forums can turn discussion like this into something meaningless. The farmall forum seems to come through every time. Sgt bull had an interesting comment that made me think about what made the founding fathers all come together in the beginning at our show way back 32 years or so. It was not to make piles of money, but to keep the hobby goin and play with and show thier stuff. We need some money for facilities and buildings and club owned projects. All that is to draw a bigger crowd. Heck, i think even a small crowd is okay by me anymore. Maybe a lot of our shows need to focus on starting over like they began. Exhibitors getting together for the most part, swap meet guys coming to keep us in parts. Curious onlookers showing up for a day. Sponsorship money has kept our show in the pink financially over the past two years. Maybe that is all we need till we get a way to draw a crowd again. Hmmmmm, ammunition for the next planning battle. Thanks guys, again, you are better than dear abby. :^D

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earthmasterk

08-29-2007 13:32:14




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 Re: You guys are the best. in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 13:06:02  
I agree with all the opinions expressed. I would like to add one thought of my own. Around here in central Indiana every county tractor club as well as the fair(s) want to have a show. That is O.K., but between this county and the surrounding counties, there are a total of 16 tractor shows. Sometimes there are 2 or 3 shows the same weekend. That is way to many. Any more, I just go to the national shows that I am interested in, if I can.

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Eric SEI

08-29-2007 20:01:22




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 Re: You guys are the best. in reply to earthmasterk, 08-29-2007 13:32:14  
Here in SE Indiana we don't have quite that many shows, but we're getting there. I'm not a member, but I have visited 2 shows this year. The Greensburg Power of the Past show had a lot of tractors, but after awhile all the JD Bs start to look alike, you know? And the flea market was almost purely flea market crap. They had a nice selection of food venders.

The FARM (Farming Antique & Related Machinery) Club show in Osgood had fewer tractors, but I think it had more demonstrations going. Much more of the flea market was actually related to old equipment, old tractors and parts. No extra charge to try to sell. There were more food venders than in previous years.

I will probably go to both shows again next year, but I liked the smaller FARM Club show better because it had a more varied collection of equipment to see and watch.

As a spectator I can say that while rows of tractors can get boring, there can be more. A cider press operating will attract attention. Chopping silage looks impressive. And everyone likes to see a team of oxen or horses. If you really want to attract more families, make it an antique farm show instead of an antique tractor show. Heck, a lot of people would love to see an early washing machine even.

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Mike CA

08-29-2007 12:40:22




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
What about kids plowing under instruction? Each kid gets to plow one strip.
Of course, then you have the liability to contend with. What if an owl swooped down and knocked the kid into the disc harrow, etc etc.
But again, interactive is the key I think. If they just having something to look at, they will see it and walk on by. If they have something to watch they will stay a while longer. If they have something to do... then they have a reason to be interested and engaged... and maybe even excited!

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sgtbull

08-29-2007 12:41:03




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
Wow. This thread is VERY important! A few other guys and I started a club nigh on 18 yrs ago, and have been having shows ever since. The core memberhip is dwindling, as of late, more so due to deaths than disinterest. I personally feel the demise of the family farm is the crux of the problem. Fewer families farming = fewer kids to get interested. We've tried extending invitations to local FFA and 4H groups to our spring swap where we would also begin teaching anyone how to run a thresher, staionary baler or engine, baker fan or whatever.. only stipulation was they had to accept a 1 year FREE membership, and come to the show and help. .... (pretty tough requirements, eh?) We got precisely ONE young man to do it. I was appalled, and dismayed. I'm currently working on a small scholarship program, (just a few hundred dollars) as an incentive to get younger folks to restore a tractor or implement and display it, with a committee of club members awarding the scholarship for the best, (in our humble opinion) restoration. I really think a couple of factors are killing our show's momentum:

1.) Fewer farm kids.
2.) Appeal. Those who may be on the farm often aren't interested in this OLD stuff!
3.) Time. Those who ARE interested, are growing old and dying.
4.) Stagnation. Same tractors and display EVERY year. How many times can you get that old feeling of excitement looking at a Farmall H or John Deere B? Like Russ said, you have to keep it fresh and give them something different to look at. (a problem due to #7 below)
5.) Apathy. I'd say a full 85% of our club are "watchers", and the rest are "workers" to various degrees.

6.) Personality conflicts. I've noticed in our own club that a few vocal ramrods who probably have good intentions of getting folks to work, are actually turning them off and driving them away. Poor leadership skills will absolutely KILL an organization. (shoot, I'm one of the founders, and I've been so irritated with some of our "leaders", I nearly packed my stuff and left.)

7.) Loss of focus. I realize we're a non profit organization and we have bills to pay to put on a show. BUT, as I've stood up at more than one meeting and said, we started this club so WE can get together and play with OUR toys. Its great to have the public come and see it. Lets face it, we all like to show off our stuff, and we like the attention. And, it does serve as a learning medium for newer generations. BUT, I see that sometimes the club gets wound up in "raising money to build or buy". Then the gate fee goes up. Then the vendor fee goes up. Then the camper fees go up. Then the flea market spaces go up..... .then the crowd goes down. A club needs to try to grow and progress, but not all clubs have the support base (read attendance and member participation) to make it happen. "Ya gots ta know yer limitations, son"

8.) The economy. Gas is high. Food is high. Unemployment is high. The price of restoring stuff is high. When those things go up, "extra" stuff goes out. I know I think twice about driving more than say 80 miles or so in my gas sucking tractor hauler. And I hate to go to a show empty handed.

There are lots of variables. I'm afraid the largest reason by far though is the changing of the guard. If you didn't at least see your grandad using this stuff, it simply doesn't have the same connection to you. We'll always have SOME interested folks. My kids are innoculated with the old iron virus early on, and I hope they continue the hobby, but they are still young and have lots of things to deal with ahead in their lives, especially in these troubled times. It may, sadly enough, just not be as important in the big scheme of things as time goes by, so we'd better enjoy it while we can.

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Bob M

08-29-2007 12:38:26




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
Good comments/suggestions Russ…

From my perspective, the shows around here (western NY) are at least holding their own and a couple have grown – both in numbers of exhibitors and attendance – over the past several years. This despite the skyrocketing cost of fuel.

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A few random thoughts on the growth of the show I’m most involved with:

Each year adds a new attraction or two to bring people to the show. Recent additions include a kiddie pedal tractor pull (brings in a LOT of kids, parent and grandparents); a team of oxen + driver that just sorta wander the grounds with the driver schmoozing with folks; a couple of the better and more popular local live bands in concert, etc.

This year the local Corvette collector’s club was invited to display their cars on Saturday. Not exactly in keeping with the theme of old tractors. But it brought in a whole fresh group of fairgoers – most of whom had never been to a tractor show before. Many wound up staying all day to enjoy the sights and sounds.

The show itself is a community volunteer effort. It's spearheaded by the local Lions Club. However groups like the Boy Scouts, the fire dept, the local 2 Cylinder, IHC and Oliver tractor clubs, and others pitch in to help with the show registration, the tractor pulls, running the chicken BBQ, keeping trash picked up, etc. This community volunteer aspect results in many locals being involved. And they in turn cause many others to show up.

Several volunteers see that the show gets publicized in advance as much as possible via articles in the paper, on the radio, in flyers posted at other shows, etc. They also run a simple float advertising the show in several firemen's parades.

Unrestored and working equipment is encouraged to be exhibited. More and more unrestored stuff shows up every year. And curiously this stuff seems to get more attention than do the prettiest “trailer queen” tractor restorations.

We try to have hands-on displays in operation at all times. Curiously the most popular is a simple pitcher pump mounted to a washtub half-filled with water. Kids stand in line all day for a chance to work the pump. Another popular feature is a hit ‘n miss engine belted to a corn sheller and grinder. Visitors feed corn one ear at time into the machines and watch what comes out.

Active displays are popular. We have a guy who brings a hand-operated cordage machine – he keeps busy making short lengths of braided rope from poly baling twine to give to kids. Another guy brings and old buzz saw which he belts to a hit ‘n miss engine – he entertains by buzzing up cordwood. We bring in another guy who makes/sells chainsaw carvings on site. In hot weather another guy runs a couple large fans from an old generator - people stand around in front of his awning to enjoy the cooling breeze.

Most of our exhibitors permit/encourage people to climb onto their tractors for photos, etc. Seems there’s always a kid or two on several different tractors and a parent with a camera nearby.

A tractor-drawn hayride continuously running thru the show grounds helps the elderly and those with little kids see the entire show with a minimum of effort.

The Sunday antique tractor pull now encourages female drivers to enter. This gets wives, GF’s and daughters of male drivers to enter. This in turn brings out more people (women especially…) to watch.

We try to keep the show non-competitive. Outside of the tractor pull only a few prizes - simple ribbons - are awarded: Categories include oldest tractor, tractor traveling the farthest distance (and the shortest….) to get to the show, and the most unusual tractor. There’s also a best in show award to the nicest looking tractor. The “prize” here is the winning tractor gets pictured on the next year’s show button and T-shirt.

Finally it seems we have a decent crop of next generation old tractor enthusiasts coming along and getting involved. Each year had seen several teenagers (including couple girls) proudly displaying their “new” old tractors in various states of repair. A few of them pull their tractors. (Pull officials will bend the rules a bit for the youngsters in order to deal with the inevitable stalls, false starts, etc. first timers always seem to suffer from).

Bottom line is thru a bit of creative thought and effort, good shows can run despite high fuel prices and tight budgets.

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Fancy Farm

08-29-2007 09:46:58




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
I consider this to be the most important topic ever started on this sight.
All of us need to be looking for new ways to make old shows into a more entertaining,informative, and educational experience.
We need a lot of ideas expressed on this topic by everyone.
How do we get the young people involved?
Our local FFA chapter could care less how can we change that?
We end up uith everyone sitting under tents drinking sodas or they just bring a unit on the first day of the show and return to get it after the show.
what can we change?
Show layout?
entertainment?
Tours for the local senior citizens that don't have transportation?
Beauty contest?
Awards ( I don't like this one because there are only a few show quality exhibits and they would always win unless we wrote some new rules)

Everyone jump in we need to make plans for next year soon and mabe we can find some ideas we can use it sure won't hurt.

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Steven f/AZ

08-29-2007 11:46:23




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to Fancy Farm, 08-29-2007 09:46:58  
I like the idea of having the old tractors pulling shuttles (hay wagons perhaps?) around the show grounds so people don"t have to walk too much.

Another idea I like is having demonstrations of plowing - even if it is only with a small field cultivator, chisel plow, or disk. Any time that a tractor can be working instead of sitting is great for me. I like to hear those old engines pull!

Having/inviting other clubs to show at the same time can help with the turn out - even if it were the "new age" type car show (ex: Hondas, etc.) it would draw a younger generation to the show that might just become interested in the antique side of things.

Excellent discussion! Shows are one of the most important things that will keep this hobby going.

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russ hamm

08-29-2007 11:10:07




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to Fancy Farm, 08-29-2007 09:46:58  
Several years ago we tried to have an anvil shoot. The "shooters" actually gave a demo at our free warmup show for years. Sounds unsafe, but is actually very safe when competition shooters are running the demo. Several folks shot the idea down. Made those that wanted to improve the show very dissapointed. The balloon ride was a hit with kids and parents. wagon rides are great. I wish we had a train, even a small one. We have let the car and truck guys in, they actually draw more folks. For clubs, visiting member's collections is a good deal. Having meetings in one spot sure can make for a dull time. And folks will quit coming. Our local ffa chapters are so busy with other stuff that they can't get interested. looks to me like in the future it will take some real sales oriented minds to make the shows float. Added attractions/ that's the key these days.

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Steven f/AZ

08-29-2007 09:43:36




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
What keeps me away from showing or parading my tractors when I"m back in ND for the summer is the high cost of fuel...

And all the shows happen after I have to be back in AZ to teach (we always start the first week of August and harvest doesn"t happen until late August). Bummer for me.

Wish I could go to the Rollag show this weekend, but just can"t afford to take off work (day without pay), purchase plane tickets, rent a car, etc. with my new house coming and baby on the way as well. Another bummer for me. Hopefully when the little one isn"t so little they will be interested in old iron so I have a better excuse to go!

I agree with all that has been posted so far.

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Mike CA

08-29-2007 09:32:20




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
Mentioned below was something "family" oriented. As a father with two young sons who love tractors, a "hands on" experience for kids would really engage them. Something safe, exciting and fun... like sawing wood with an open blade run from the belt pully! :D

Ok, seriously, something safe for them, but exciting for them... and for the life of me I have no idea what.
Throwing corn into a shredder?
Pitching hay into a bailer?
I don't know. maybe you expereinced guys would have a better idea.

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Janicholson

08-29-2007 09:12:39




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 Re: dying shows/ revisited in reply to russ hamm, 08-29-2007 09:03:53  
Putting a preshow session together for Educational purposes and allowing new blood to become operationally engaged is very doable. Putting an announcement in the paper with a clear description of the opportunity for people to get "hands on" works. Appropriate new volunteers are just activity away from getting involved. Too often the "dads" who bring kids just walk by looking when they really wish they were capable and invited. JimN

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