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Muley

08-11-2007 11:48:09




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The sediment bowl on my "49 Super A is not filling all the way to the top. It fills maybe to the top of the glass but that is it. Tractor spits and sputters trying to get more fuel. Gas tank has plenty, fuel inlet and line flow freely. I can disconnect the fuel line at the carb and get good flow. Gas cap vent is open. Took carb apart and blew out all orifices. Put it all back together and sediment bowl filled right up. After mowing for 10 minutes, same old problem. Sediment bowl has big bubble at the top and tractor pukes. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

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Pete7

08-11-2007 18:18:48




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 Re: Super A fuel problems in reply to Muley, 08-11-2007 11:48:09  
When you disconnect the fuel line and get a good gas flow does the bubble go away? If so, then I'd also check and see it the carb float is either sticking closed or needs adjustment.If that float is stopping the flow of gas before the bowl is properly full your engine will run poorly and you could get that bubble problem in the sediment bowl.

Pete



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Muley

08-11-2007 15:50:51




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 Re: Super A fuel problems in reply to Muley, 08-11-2007 11:48:09  
Fellas, thanks for your quick response. I had already unscrewed the bowl from the tank and found no crud but blew it out anyway. I rebuilt this tractor from the ground up and this has me scratching my head. Just went out and loosened the bowl as requested and nada. Still a bubble. It's as if the air can't get back up past the screen. What in the world....? Maybe I should try removing the plastic screen (installed new) and see what happens?

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Hugh MacKay

08-11-2007 14:42:43




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 Re: Super A fuel problems in reply to Muley, 08-11-2007 11:48:09  
Muley: This can't happen or at least we think it can't. If you had a leak around the sediment bowl, it may suck air but it would also leak gas.

There has to be a blockage in the stem from tank to bowl. It could be temperory in nature. A lot of Super As, and other tractors as well have developed rust on inside of tank if tractor was parked for long periods. When someone starts reusing the tractor, motion and gas wash that flakey rust from tank walls. The flakey rust partially plugs the stem from tank to bowl. It can move and sometimes will restrick fuel flow more than others. Try screwing the bowl stem out of the tank, see what you find in there. Got to be that, the laws of graviety defy any other reasoning.

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ScottyHOMEy

08-11-2007 15:22:10




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 Re: Super A fuel problems in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-11-2007 14:42:43  
I like your thought there, Hugh. If there's plenty of gas in the tank . . . AreAre you thining the air is bubbling back up the fuel line from the carb? That's about all I could come up with????

"Gravity. It isn't just a good idea. It's the law."



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Hugh MacKay

08-11-2007 07:51:19




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 Re: Super A fuel problems in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 08-11-2007 15:22:10  
Scotty: When I first got my Super A, it hadn't been used much in some time. First few days it worked fine, however I was using it on rough hard ground and looking back that would have caused a lot of gas movement within the tank. After about a week I could only get it to work a short while, and it was as if tractor was out of gas. First time I thought it was out of gas, thought to myself this SA is a lot harder on gas than my 130. Poured couple gallons in and by that time it fired up, but only ran a short while and stopped again. This time I put a wood dowel in tank and much to my surprise it was close to full, much more than the two gallons I added.

Over the next couple days I had the carb off 6-8 times cleanig it, and all of a sudden once there was no gas flow from tank. I removed the sediment bowl base, and the stem was full of flakey rust. All I can think is those rust flakes must have been moving constantly. Yes, each time the tractor stopped, there was that air bubble in top of sediment bowl. Could be air came back from carb, I'm not sure. Tractor did have a cork gasket between bowl and base. Did it suck air through the cork gasket, yet not leak, I'm not sure I buy that either.

I do know that once I got the tank cleaned of all that rust, plus the bowl stem clean, my problem went away, and that was many years ago. I do know those rust flakes in the sediment bowl stem and shutoff did not come out with 100 psi of air. I dug them out wife one of my wife's darning needles. I think before Muley says, "nothing in stem", he best do a bit more investigating. The air bubble is created by a vacume, however small, and that brings me right back to the graviety question. Liquids do run down hill, at least until they meet a blockage.

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Patrick Martin

08-11-2007 08:38:00




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 Re: Super A fuel problems in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-11-2007 07:51:19  
I think Hugh's got this thing beat. Muley probably has gunk caked up in the stem or maybe the shutoff valve tip or seat has broken off in the casting.

Mine broke (sharded) and did something similar and the little bent lever still snugged up and backed out.



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EL Toro

08-11-2007 14:07:59




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 Re: Super A fuel problems in reply to Muley, 08-11-2007 11:48:09  
Try loosing the clamp on the sediment bowl until the bowl fills and then retighten the clamp. Hal



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