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Working on the M....hydraulic pump.

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Patrick Martin

08-09-2007 22:32:05




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So is it really necessary to fab up the two "T" removal tools that the I&T manual says is needed or is it cool to just lower it with a jack?

Is it even that heavy?????

I'm gonna get cracking on these two babies soon. I've started on the newer one, the one that has the corn harvester serial number, and begun tearing down the engine and getting parts ready. The transmission actually looks nice inside and I doubt I'll do much other than just prop the back end up, fill it with diesel and let it spin to clean it then change all of the seals and such.

Anything I need to look out for?

I'll be contacting your friend soon Georgeky, thanks! :) I will let him know you referred me!

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Sagebrusher

08-11-2007 08:20:15




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-09-2007 22:32:05  
Patrick, I'm far from an expert but with leaking seals, a pump upgrade, and bearing replacements, I've pulled and installed Lift alls four times on our M's in the last year. Not surprisingly the first one took a while. (Thanks again to all those on YT who offered advice.) My method is to use one of those cheap hydraulic style ATV/Motorcycle lifts. I cobbled together a cradle from short 2x6 scraps to support the rounded hump on the bottom of the reservoir. With the lift and cradle I can easily handle the job safely by myself. The easy height control and casters on the lift also make it simple to align the drive coupler with the drive nuts. Good luck Don

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Patrick Martin

08-10-2007 17:46:17




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-09-2007 22:32:05  
Welp.....I guess the concensus is to build the tools cause it is indeed heavy.

thanks again guys!!!!
Pat



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james in mo

08-10-2007 15:17:06




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-09-2007 22:32:05  
well i have taken them out by myself a few times with a botle jack that came from a truck. not that big a deal. but it is hevy. just set the botle on a log and get-er-done.

james



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biggerred

08-10-2007 08:17:25




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-09-2007 22:32:05  
I use threaded rod, and just run it up with the nuts, that way you can adjust your angle of approach, without fighting with it, or wearing it on your foot.



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John S-B

08-10-2007 11:53:29




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to biggerred, 08-10-2007 08:17:25  
I have the tools and they only work if you have two people. The threaded rod method is the cheapest and easiest.



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Wayne from MN

08-10-2007 08:10:09




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-09-2007 22:32:05  
I just installed the belly pump in an H last week by myself; I used a 2" ratchet strap over the center housing and under the pump to "ratchet" it up into place. It took about 3 stop & block times to shorten the strap in the ratchet, and a bar in the lower hole to help align things. Put some "duct tape" over the fill pipe to keep things clean.
Take your time & clean the bottom of the pump housing first unless you don't mind a little oil on the strap!

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railhead

08-10-2007 06:52:55




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-09-2007 22:32:05  
there are not many things the I&T folks write without it being necessary. Make the tools.



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RustyFarmall

08-10-2007 04:24:18




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-09-2007 22:32:05  
Yes, it is that heavy. If you are working on it by yourself, fabricate those tools. If you have a good floor jack, and one other person to help, then you don't need that tool. Not only is the belly pump very heavy, it is also very ackward and unbalanced. It is not a one man job unless you have the proper tools.



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Janicholson

08-10-2007 04:26:20




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-10-2007 04:24:18  
Top of the morning Rusty. Jim



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RustyFarmall

08-10-2007 04:30:26




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to Janicholson, 08-10-2007 04:26:20  
Yep, we're thinking alike again.



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Janicholson

08-10-2007 04:23:10




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-09-2007 22:32:05  
Patrick, with a floor jack it is just a matter of ballance. the thing is heavy and akward. two pieces of ready rod in place of two bolts on opposite corners will guide it down, and up better than a struggle. JimN



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georgeky

08-09-2007 23:27:39




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 Re: Working on the M....hydraulic pump. in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-09-2007 22:32:05  
Patrick, I have taken mine out without the tool, but it is a heavy rascal. Be careful with it. Don't drop it on your toes. I have been thinking about tearing my 50 M down. It needs a rear seal and new clutch. It also seems to make a little more tranny noise than I like. Good Luck with it.



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